Speed cameras future in the balance?

[Boomy]

"Britain's speed camera system could be challenged by a European Court ruling..."

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=310751&f=10&h=0

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5383726.stm

Should be interesting, this is happening today and could spell the end for cameras.Well, until they think up something else.Somehow i can't see it happening though.

[Martin Keene]

It's the first challenge to speed camera's that has any wieght to it in my opinion. If not because of the way it applies to cameras, but it could be looked upon as the thin end of the wedge, then it's implications become a *whole* lot more serious. Fancy trying to prove your innocent in a murder case... for example.

Don't expect a ruling from the European Human Rights lot before Christmas though...

[Boomy]

Don't expect a ruling from the European Human Rights lot before Christmas though...

Yeah it's bound to take an age.

I hear they got off to a bad start as it was this morning due to many of the people involved getting banned on the way to Dover  

[Morbius]

I heard someone on the radio saying that if the case is approved, and the keeper can not be prosecuted for refusing to name the driver, the CPS will prosecute the keeper instead unless they can prove that they were not driving.

To my mind, anyone going to such high profile lengths to avoid the fine is shouting to the world that they probably were driving at the time that the alleged 'offence' was committed.

If the campaign to eradicate speed cameras is successful, it will only speed the day when automatic speed control and cars that drive themselves become mandatory.  Imagin having to build that into your Westy and get it through SVA!

[XTR2Turbo]

I heard someone on the radio saying that if the case is approved, and the keeper can not be prosecuted for refusing to name the driver, the CPS will prosecute the keeper instead unless they can prove that they were not driving.

To my mind, anyone going to such high profile lengths to avoid the fine is shouting to the world that they probably were driving at the time that the alleged 'offence' was committed.

If the campaign to eradicate speed cameras is successful, it will only speed the day when automatic speed control and cars that drive themselves become mandatory.  Imagin having to build that into your Westy and get it through SVA!

I'm not sure that the case will be won or not but what it will do is:

1) highlight the numerous options for avoiding conviction when you get an NIP in the post

2) highlight the different legal approach taken in all other European countries where cameras can allocate fines but not points.

I think the above will hopefully cause a breakdown in the admin process of the current model as the public obstruct the heavy handed tactics applied by the authorities and I hope that the compromise will be that they trigger fines only and not points. In my view a much fairer system.

David

[nikpro]

I think the above will hopefully cause a breakdown in the admin process of the current model as the public obstruct the heavy handed tactics applied by the authorities and I hope that the compromise will be that they trigger fines only and not points. In my view a much fairer system.

David

David,

I disagree with this ; if you are rich you could just speed everywhere and not give a t*ss?

[jak]

I think the above will hopefully cause a breakdown in the admin process of the current model as the public obstruct the heavy handed tactics applied by the authorities and I hope that the compromise will be that they trigger fines only and not points. In my view a much fairer system.

David

David,

I disagree with this ; if you are rich you could just speed everywhere and not give a t*ss?

Under the current system if you are rich you could just speed everywhere and not give a t*ss - then employ a chauffeur when you do get banned.

[Boomy]

Under the current "scientific" (haha) system, people shouldn't be having to spend a penny.Cameras are supposed to stop "speeding", or what someone in an office decides is suddenly classed as speeding at least.

Thousands, maybe millions! of times a year they seem to fail to do that.

If cameras remain, i dare say they will raise the number of points you need to be banned before long, simply because half the country will be in that boat.

This way, needing say 100 points before you lose your license will keep the cash rolling in.Of course, they will seek praise by telling us they raised the points limit to "give motorists more of a chance" because they are "on our side" and all that crap.

[spence]

If it can be proved that they contravene our human rights, this may be the one and only time the 'Human Rights' law has been used for a sensible case.

Can't ever see in a million years that they will be banned as they make too much money.

Remember they are for our safety ( nobody speeds up after they have gone past them do they ) and not to line the Governments pocket. Yeah right, and I'm a Green Goblin.

[pistonbroke]

One officious nunney on telly t'nite was justifying the cameras as an essential part of road safety,  because they can , by law , only be sighted where there have been X number of road deaths within the last 3 years

total b*****k IMO of coarse  

[Boomy]

they can , by law , only be sighted where there have been X number of road deaths within the last 3 years

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

*and breath*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

*and breathe*

[spence]

they can , by law , only be sighted where there have been X number of road deaths within the last 3 years

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

*and breath*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

*and breathe*

I was thinking

Nowdays you see a bunch of flowers where somebody has sadly been killed.

Strangly enough is the fact that these flowers never seem to be anywhere near where a camera is sited. I've yet to see any. Am i missing something here

However on long straight roads where visability seems clear ( nice straight roads ) a camera gets well and truly planted.

Ummmmm  maybe i am missing something?

[Boomy]

Speed didn't kill them anyway in many cases, not understanding or caring that large metal things hurt when they hit you did.

It's like messing about near the edge of a great white shark enclosure and suggesting they file out the poor b*******s teeth because it ate someone who fell in.

[XTR2Turbo]

I think the above will hopefully cause a breakdown in the admin process of the current model as the public obstruct the heavy handed tactics applied by the authorities and I hope that the compromise will be that they trigger fines only and not points. In my view a much fairer system.

David

David,

I disagree with this ; if you are rich you could just speed everywhere and not give a t*ss?

I think in Holland they have a means of preventing this. If you get more than a certain number of fines over a period of time you have to attend some kind of education day and I also think they can apply an additional means based charge for habitual offences.

[Buzz Billsberry]

I hope that the compromise will be that they trigger fines only and not points. In my view a much fairer system.

David

I totally disagree the idea behind the points is to persuade u not to speed because u hit the magic 12 points and you're out. Plus the aggro with insurance or trying to get a new job because u lost it by speeding and got the required amount of points for a ban.

If you just use the fine system then people with money will just take the p*** and abuse it.

I prefer the current system with points means prizes and a hugh fine. Then it will keep the majority of idiots in check.

I generally speed on the motorways/country roads but not in the towns & cities etc

Buzz.