davish Posted December 17, 2005 Posted December 17, 2005 hi i am building my first westfield and was wondering if i should i use a quick rack or standard thanks in advance for your help. Quote
nikpro Posted December 17, 2005 Posted December 17, 2005 I prefer standard; found quick rack a bit OTT for road use; steering is sensitive enough with standard rack. Just my opinion though; try to get a drive in a car with either fitted; cheao upgrade later if you change your mind. Quote
adamnreeves Posted December 17, 2005 Posted December 17, 2005 hi i am building my first westfield and was wondering if i should i use a quick rack or standard thanks in advance for your help. Quick rack is 2.4 turns lock-to-lock can get from westfield. I think around £120. Can also get from cat motorsport (£116) or Rally design (£79) or Raceleda. The westfield item comes with lock stops are standard the others don't but lock stops are not that expensive. Quote
Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) Posted December 17, 2005 Posted December 17, 2005 The westfield item comes with lock stops are standard the others don't Don't know about the others, but my Cat rack came with lockstops fitted (included in the £116 price). Quote
Blatman Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 Remember if you have a rack with lock stops and it's 2.4 turns lock to lock, it's NOT a quick rack. It's a standard rack with lockstops. 3 point turns will be a thing of the past 'cos the turning circle will be crap, and even modest slides become quickly unrecoverable if you aren't careful. I use a non lock stopped quick rack on both my cars. They're ace Quote
adamnreeves Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 Remember if you have a rack with lock stops and it's 2.4 turns lock to lock, it's NOT a quick rack. It's a standard rack with lockstops. 3 point turns will be a thing of the past 'cos the turning circle will be crap, and even modest slides become quickly unrecoverable if you aren't careful. I use a non lock stopped quick rack on both my cars. They're ace I thought the point of lock stops was to stop the cycle wings crashing into the body. Quote
Blatman Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 It is, but The westfield item comes with lock stops are standard the others don't but lock stops are not that expensive. is misleading in the context of the rest of your reply above. If you have a rack with lock stops, and it's 2.4 turns lock to lock, then you have a standard rack that isn't worth the premium price asked for a quick rack. A proper quick rack with lock stops ends up being nearer to about 1.9 turns lock to lock, but the same issue of crap turning circle and unrecoverable slides still exists, you just move your arms less... That's not to say that lock stops can be left off if the wings are hitting the body. They can't. But a rack with lock stops that is 2.4 turns lock to lock *is not* a quick rack... Quote
Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 Of course, that's only if it's 2.4 after the stops are fitted I thought the point of lock stops was to stop the cycle wings crashing into the body. More and more cars are going with wide track front suspension though, so it's not a problem. Quote
stubbow Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 I'm thinking of fitting wide track and a quick rack over the winter, so would i be able to fit a quick rack with no lock stops? as this sounds like the best option going on what Blatman says's! Danny Quote
adamnreeves Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 The westfield item comes with lock stops are standard the others don't but lock stops are not that expensive. is misleading in the context of the rest of your reply above. If you have a rack with lock stops, and it's 2.4 turns lock to lock, then you have a standard rack that isn't worth the premium price asked for a quick rack. A proper quick rack with lock stops ends up being nearer to about 1.9 turns lock to lock, but the same issue of crap turning circle and unrecoverable slides still exists, you just move your arms less... That's not to say that lock stops can be left off if the wings are hitting the body. They can't. But a rack with lock stops that is 2.4 turns lock to lock *is not* a quick rack... Not wishing to sound confrontional but then why are the manufactures calling 2.4 a quick rack? And how does stop locks stop a quick rack from being quick, surely the rate at which the wheels turn in relation to the number of degrees you turn the steering wheel is what determines the speed of a rack? I am aware that 1.9 is a quicker rack but I think that is too quick for general road use and the odd track day? On my standard family road car lock-to-lock is 3.5 . Quote
Blatman Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 I was trying to avoid confusion. Clearly I have failed, so do a search 'cos this has been discussed in the past, as has the semantics/morality of calling a standard lock stopped rack a quick rack. FWIW, the green car in the picture uses a 1.9 turn rack, and it never sees a track... On my standard family road car lock-to-lock is 3.5. I think you'll quickly tire of that rack. The steering effort will be quite light, but as a result, steering feedback may well be a bit more vague than it otherwise might be, and you'll be working *really* hard of you should need to recover a slide 'cos you may well struggle to get enough lock on quickly enough, unless you're very good. Either way, in my (and plenty of others) opinion, a proper 2.4 rack is the way to go in a Westfield whether you fit lock stops or not. I'm thinking of fitting wide track and a quick rack over the winter, so would i be able to fit a quick rack with no lock stops? as this sounds like the best option going on what Blatman says's! My sprint car had a 2.4 quick rack with lock stops to prevent the arches hitting the body. It was about 2 turns lock to lock. Now it has wide track, I have removed the lock stops to return it to a 2.4 turn rack, and have also reovered some badly needed turning circle capacity... Quote
Mark B Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 I'm thinking of fitting wide track and a quick rack over the winter, so would i be able to fit a quick rack with no lock stops? as this sounds like the best option going on what Blatman says's! Danny Hi Danny, Yes mate widetrack and quickrack with no lock stops is a good combination imo, just fitted gts widetrack to mine with a 2.4 quickrack from rally design, test drove it the other day & it's You then get a proper turning circle and the arches don't hit the body... Quote
stubbow Posted December 18, 2005 Posted December 18, 2005 Thanks Mark/Blatman Now I've just got to decide which wide track to fit I like the look of the gts and Raceleda set ups but need to know will need to replace the front shocks springs for longer ones? Don't really want to do this as i have recently fitted a set of nitrons I know the cat arms have raised shock mounts so you can use standard length dampers. Danny Quote
davish Posted December 18, 2005 Author Posted December 18, 2005 so from my thred do i buy a 2.4 rack from westfield or keep my origional mk2 escort one? Quote
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