felters Posted October 15, 2005 Posted October 15, 2005 Dave - no idea about your engine choice but Duratec would be easier to sell on when the time comes... You're geograpically well placed for any of the MSE airfield days - many of us have done them and they're a hoot. You could also try their Acadamy days at Upper Heyford. I'm not certain but I believe it's actually illegal to own a Westfield and not use it on track Quote
sandhurst Posted October 15, 2005 Author Posted October 15, 2005 You state "I'm not certain but I believe it's actually illegal to own a Westfield and not use it on track" [sorry, have not yet mastered the "quote" facility"]: Now you have got me really worried for it's clear that I did not read the small print on the membership form and I would not want my un-blemished record to go out the window. Never booked for speeding [well, hardly ever] and no RTA's [well, not many AND NONE OF THEM WERE MY FAULT] - not even the one involving me and a tree (5 days in hospital and 3 broken ribs or was it the other way round? So long ago that the little grey cells have been wiped clean). Dave Quote
brianm Posted October 15, 2005 Posted October 15, 2005 Mr Sandhurst Sir Do not fit a Zetec, you will only end up converting to VX power Duratec is altogether another issue. Bri. Quote
adhawkins Posted October 15, 2005 Posted October 15, 2005 [sorry, have not yet mastered the "quote" facility"]: It's simple really. Press the 'quote' button to the right of the post you want to quote. Type your reply in the top box. Edit the reply you're quoting in the bottom box to only include the relevant bits. Andy Quote
sandhurst Posted October 15, 2005 Author Posted October 15, 2005 It's simple really. Press the 'quote' button to the right of the post you want to quote. Type your reply in the top box. Edit the reply you're quoting in the bottom box to only include the relevant bits. Thanks Andy, yet another set of "L" plates confined to the bin! Dave "Best beginner" elect in the local "old peoples group"! Quote
Peter M Posted October 15, 2005 Posted October 15, 2005 Thanks Andy, yet another set of "L" plates confined to the bin! and for me Quote
7SE Posted October 15, 2005 Posted October 15, 2005 The Duratec will be warmer to drive in Winter, cos the exhaust is on the driver's side Quote
Blatman Posted October 15, 2005 Posted October 15, 2005 I Know and partly agree with some of the comments regarding the WEBCON ECU set up, but as Greeny says if your not going to tunning the car yourself then it shouldn't make that much difference, once initially tuned it should be a fit and forget system, unless you get the bug and start doing track days etc and want to have a play with the ECU. One thing that others who have posted 'Against' the Webcon unit may not know is that the latest system 'Apparrently' shoves out 204 or 205bhp which is VERY good for a standard engine and being a Duratec Owner myself I am not aware of any other manufacturer that gives this power from a 'Standard' engine' If the engine has the ability to develop the power, it won't matter what ECU is on it. I doubt if Weber/Westfield have found something so "secret" that it is impossible to replicate with another ECU. The Weber Alpha isn't that special, no matter what precious metal they name it after... And if we're looking at residuals and selling on, it wouldn't matter if it was a 300bhp Duratec with all the bells and whistles, if it had a Webcon ECU I wouldn't buy it unless I got a big enough discount so that I could change it, or the owner fitted a different ECU first... Quote
7SE Posted October 15, 2005 Posted October 15, 2005 And if we're looking at residuals and selling on, it wouldn't matter if it was a 300bhp Duratec with all the bells and whistles, if it had a Webcon ECU I wouldn't buy it unless I got a big enough discount so that I could change it, or the owner fitted a different ECU first... Yes, but you are something of a 'niche' market Quote
7SE Posted October 15, 2005 Posted October 15, 2005 Nothing wrong with being niche; it can be a good craic Quote
Glen H Posted October 16, 2005 Posted October 16, 2005 If the engine has the ability to develop the power, it won't matter what ECU is on it. I doubt if Weber/Westfield have found something so "secret" that it is impossible to replicate with another ECU. The Weber Alpha isn't that special, no matter what precious metal they name it after... Blatters, I DID say 'I Partly Agree' with other statements and would also agree that if Webcon have found some tweek to give additional horses then others would be able to do exactly the same, just don't know of anyone thats done it yet Quote
Blatman Posted October 16, 2005 Posted October 16, 2005 I was just re-inforcing (badly) your partial agreement, and trying to expand on that so that Mr Sandhurst has a full set of opinikns that make the points obvious, just in case he misses something in the interpretations... Quote
Kevin Wood Posted October 17, 2005 Posted October 17, 2005 However, they now fit a "gold" model which, apart from anything else, lifts the output to 205 bhp. As Blatman said, whatever ECU is fitted, the engine will develop whatever power it will with the proviso that it is properly mapped. Nothing special about the Webcon system in this respect. There is no rocket science to giving an engine the correct amount of fuel and advance. Additionally, you won't get the best out of a setup like this unless you get it mapped once it's running anyway so you'll want a system that you can easily get adjusted. A "one size fits all" map from Westfield in an alpha will not be as satisfactory as an easily accessible map in a better supported ECU that you can adjust to suit your individual installation. I'd delete the alpha and go with almost anything but. Kevin Quote
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