Car tax.

[Robin Parker (Red Spider) - Yorkshire AO]

I've just retaxed my Westfield for another year, £360, that's £1 per day (nearly). My other 2 cars, Alfa Romeo Giulietta and VW Up! are both £20, 0.05479205p per day. Why?

Will my 1991 registered Westfield on a Q plate ever be tax exempt?

[Benrobson2999 - Kent AO]

Just sorned mine for the first time! But only because Iam doing jobs that willl stop me getting out over the next couple of months. I will have to treat the car to something for what I’ve saved in tax 😂 

[jeff oakley]

1 hour ago, Robin Parker (Red Spider) - Yorkshire AO said:

I've just retaxed my Westfield for another year, £360, that's £1 per day (nearly). My other 2 cars, Alfa Romeo Giulietta and VW Up! are both £20, 0.05479205p per day. Why?

Will my 1991 registered Westfield on a Q plate ever be tax exempt?

As I understand it once it is 40 years old it will be but they eek that out by it having to be 40 years old at a certain point of the year. It also has to be "largely unmodified from the first registration" how the hell they will do that with a Westfield who knows. Plus do not forget if it gets Historic tax it also gets MOT exempt and ULEZ exempt as well. Again that is how I understand it, hopefully mine is in 2028

[Robin Parker (Red Spider) - Yorkshire AO]

2 minutes ago, jeff oakley said:

As I understand it once it is 40 years old it will be but they eek that out by it having to be 40 years old at a certain point of the year. It also has to be "largely unmodified from the first registration" how the hell they will do that with a Westfield who knows. Plus do not forget if it gets Historic tax it also gets MOT exempt and ULEZ exempt as well. Again that is how I understand it, hopefully mine is in 2028

5 years to wait then, although Q plates seem to be a bit of an anomaly. No one seems to know if they will be exempt. 

[marcusb]

don't buy a Lotus you would be even more upset 😆

[mega ade]

36 minutes ago, jeff oakley said:

As I understand it once it is 40 years old it will be but they eek that out by it having to be 40 years old at a certain point of the year. It also has to be "largely unmodified from the first registration" how the hell they will do that with a Westfield who knows. Plus do not forget if it gets Historic tax it also gets MOT exempt and ULEZ exempt as well. Again that is how I understand it, hopefully mine is in 2028

Probably be like a pension as you get nearer the government will move the goal post further away

[Stuart]

Ridiculous that my Westy is £360 when my 240i is £195

[jeff oakley]

2 hours ago, Robin Parker (Red Spider) - Yorkshire AO said:

5 years to wait then, although Q plates seem to be a bit of an anomaly. No one seems to know if they will be exempt. 

 

What is below is what it says on line and I am sure that I have seen cars on eBay advertised as being tax exempt. The Q plate cam in in 1983 so they would not have qualified until 2023 for exemption so there would not have been that many perhaps yet. 

 

Lets hope they do not change it which was raised as a possibility in the budget but did not happen.

  

Yes, a Q-plate car can be tax-exempt if it is over 40 years old and was built before January 1, 1985, and meets other criteria. You must apply to the DVLA to change the tax class to 'historic', even if you do not have to pay. 

Eligibility for tax exemption

Age: The car must be more than 40 years old, with a build date before January 1, 1985. For Q-plate cars, the 'manufactured' date on the V5C logbook is used for this calculation.

Application: You must apply to the DVLA to have the vehicle's tax class changed to 'historic'.

Usage: The car must not be used for commercial purposes, such as hire or reward. 

How to apply

Ensure your V5C logbook correctly shows the vehicle's build date (as 'manufactured').

Gather your V5C logbook and any MOT exemption forms.

Apply to the DVLA for the tax exemption. You can do this online or through a Post Office that deals with vehicle tax. 

Important considerations

Tax must still be taxed annually: Even if your car is tax-exempt, you still need to declare it as 'SORN' (Statutory Off Road Notification) or tax it each year.

Substantial changes: A Q-plate vehicle that has undergone 'substantial changes' in the last 30 years may be considered exempt from MOT requirements, but the tax exemption still depends on its age.

Q plates are permanent: Once a Q plate is issued, it is permanent and cannot be changed or transferred to another vehicle. 

 

 

[Flying Carrot Steve]

15 hours ago, marcusb said:

don't buy a Lotus you would be even more upset 😆

 

And a Jag more upset still. Mine is, believe it or not, £66.50 a month! 

[DamperMan]

I still believe vehicle licence should all be on fuel and not Car TAX, we all know this is just TAX and nothing to do with enviromental reasons

 

My own fleet...   

Westfield, which does ~2k miles  in 6 months costing £~180   which works out   9p per mile     or    40p per leter    

VW camper, which does ~2k miles in 6 months costing £~180 which works out   9p per mile   or      73p Per leter

Tintop bmw 16K miles £165 per year.     1p per mile    or 11p per leter

 

I can't justify taxing the Camper or westfield thoughout the year for maybe the odd drive out in the winter.   So they are Sorn 6 months of the year.

 

I can't drive more than one car at once! so the more cars I have the less each one will do yes more revenue for the government     

 

I know there's Electric cars but i'd be suprised if something could nto be written into the software to create a pay per mile.   Or app.. or black box....      

 

 

 

 

[p k]

28 minutes ago, DamperMan said:

     

 

I know there's Electric cars but i'd be suprised if something could nto be written into the software to create a pay per mile.   Or app.. or black box....      

 

 

 

 

Australia have had a pay per mile charge for years and it is based on a reading taken at their version of the MOT test but I can see "mileage corrction" services becoming a growth industry .

[dvd8n]

There's no requirement in the UK to have an odometer.  It's only an issue if you misrepresent the mileage when you sell a vehicle.

[Rhett Turner - Black Country AO]

42 minutes ago, p k said:

1 hour ago, DamperMan said:

Australia have had a pay per mile charge for years and it is based on a reading taken at their version of the MOT

That what they now seem to be proposing for electric cars, you predict how many miles and it's checked at the MOT. 

 

I guess if they started to use this for all cars then if you could not provide a milage from your odo they'd default to some middle to high figure.

[dvd8n]

6 minutes ago, Rhett Turner - Black Country AO said:

That what they now seem to be proposing for electric cars

 

That's what Rachel Reeves announced recently, but when asked how she'd implement it she was like a rabbit in the headlights.

[Flying Carrot Steve]

1 hour ago, DamperMan said:

I still believe vehicle licence should all be on fuel and not Car TAX, we all know this is just TAX and nothing to do with enviromental reasons

 

My own fleet...   

Westfield, which does ~2k miles  in 6 months costing £~180   which works out   9p per mile     or    40p per leter    

VW camper, which does ~2k miles in 6 months costing £~180 which works out   9p per mile   or      73p Per leter

Tintop bmw 16K miles £165 per year.     1p per mile    or 11p per leter

 

I can't justify taxing the Camper or westfield thoughout the year for maybe the odd drive out in the winter.   So they are Sorn 6 months of the year.

 

I can't drive more than one car at once! so the more cars I have the less each one will do yes more revenue for the government     

 

I know there's Electric cars but i'd be suprised if something could nto be written into the software to create a pay per mile.   Or app.. or black box....      

 

 

 

 

 

 

I recorded Rachel Reeves on TV a few days ago when she announced measures for charging tax for electric cars based on mileage. 

 

As a multi-car, low-mileage driver I have been preaching this for many, many years and I think it's inevitable one day.

 

For me it's just plain wrong that because my Jag is classed as high polluting I must pay a higher tax than others. My car only pollutes IF I use it, over one recent MOT to MOT year, I did just over 700 miles and paid almost £800 road tax, more than £1 per mile in just road tax alone!

 

So how then does my 700 miles in a 5.0 V8 Jag cause more pollution than say someone doing 12,000 miles in a normal 2 litre petrol car? It's an absolute nonsense in my view. 

 

Basing it on mileage is the only fair way I think.

 

So, here is word for word (I have the video) is what Rachel Reeves said.....

 

"Because all cars contribute to the wear and tear on our roads, I will ensure that drivers are taxed according to how much they drive and not just by the type of car they use"

 

That right there, applies to us lads and lasses! It also applies to my Jag and most low use vehicles.

 

We should be behind any campaign for this, at least for out kit car usage IMHO. Yes I'm biased but I also believe in fair play.