AndrewBClarke Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 10 hours ago, harrypotter said: Sorry to keep asking, but what do you mean by ‘pre’ registration? is the car on an 2009 plate? What is the proven age of the engine? All info helps to get an accurate picture of what is required for Mot purposes. Thanks. No problem. Firstly I have to say that I wasn’t the builder but I do have all the paperwork. Before IVA, the builder registered the fully rebuilt engine (according to Rimmer Bros from a 1976 Rover Vitesse) with the necessary authority and it was certified as part of the kit (pre-registered). The car was subsequently completed in 2009 from all new parts (no donor car) and upon IVA, registered as a 2009 car with age related plate. Emissions are listed on the V5 as ‘visual check only’. 1 1
harrypotter Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 1 hour ago, AndrewBClarke said: No problem. Firstly I have to say that I wasn’t the builder but I do have all the paperwork. Before IVA, the builder registered the fully rebuilt engine (according to Rimmer Bros from a 1976 Rover Vitesse) with the necessary authority and it was certified as part of the kit (pre-registered). The car was subsequently completed in 2009 from all new parts (no donor car) and upon IVA, registered as a 2009 car with age related plate. Emissions are listed on the V5 as ‘visual check only’. Thank you. That’s the first time I’ve heard of that being done. Every day’s a school day. 1
Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 1 hour ago, harrypotter said: Thank you. That’s the first time I’ve heard of that being done Me too! (the pre-register for the engine, that is. 1
Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 11 hours ago, harrypotter said: So how can you tell what the situation is with any particular kit car once it’s registered? The V5. (Again, unless on a Q) The V5 is the "law" for that car, what it says on it, goes, as far as emissions are concerned and the MoT. All the other documentation is just to get you to the IVA and V5 stage, so great to have in the cars history, but not vital. 1
joolz Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 21 minutes ago, Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) said: Me too! (the pre-register for the engine, that is. Me too! Thanks everyone for the explanations. 1
ianali Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 32 minutes ago, Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) said: The V5. (Again, unless on a Q) The V5 is the "law" for that car, what it says on it, goes, as far as emissions are concerned and the MoT. All the other documentation is just to get you to the IVA and V5 stage, so great to have in the cars history, but not vital. The V5 may differ from the MoT testing equipment figures though. Most confusing. 1
harrypotter Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 5 hours ago, ianali said: The V5 may differ from the MoT testing equipment figures though. Most confusing. especially if the V5 gives no indication of emissions. 1
RickRack Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago Hi all, I love this subject! So I brought my V8 with a current MOT & didn’t research MOT / emissions / SVA and basically hadn’t got a clue (& probs still don’t!) Then more by luck than judgment I got talking to our MOT guru @Martyn Vann - Warwickshire AO at WSCC Black Country meet. In May 2024 I had to take it for 1st MOT under my ownership & with mine having a CAT installed as part of the original factory but & also being non Q plt was worried I may have issues. Martin then pointed me to the FAQ flow chart & advised that as it was registered in Jan 1999 was subject to emissions test during MOT but asked me to bring along my V5C to next meet. Result - Martyn took a look at V5C and showed me there isn’t any recorded emissions from when SVA was completed & when it gets MOT’d the tester can only test to the emissions value on the V5C - or to nothing as there is no recorded value. So to back this up, I researched my engine number for the LRV V8 3.9 EFI & we found/believe it to be from a batch of engines that were manufactured in early 1990’s and therefore prior to SVA & no record of emissions value/data, so I took this record of my engine manufactured date & V5C & Martyn’s chart to my MOT test centre & it’s passed both tests completed in last 2 years. So my advise, follow Martyn’s flow chart, check your V5C for an emissions value & if possible identify the date of manufacture of your engine & take the docs with you for MOT - if the tester says “I have to test to a pre-recorded value” ask them to check the MOT training/guidance & show them the chart, the V5C & the date of manufacture & they have to test to that. I’m also lucky here as I have a long relationship with the tester 30 + years & he was impressed with my level of knowledge / documentation when presenting Martyn’s plagiarised documentation. Happy days.
RickRack Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 13 hours ago, ianali said: The V5 may differ from the MoT testing equipment figures though. Most confusing. Ian, if you check your V5C does it have an emissions value? If it does then that is what they have to test too. If it doesn’t, they they cannot test to a random value & believe it is then same as a Q plt ie visible smoke test only @Martyn Vann - Warwickshire AO can you confirm?
RickRack Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 8 hours ago, harrypotter said: especially if the V5 gives no indication of emissions. If you’re on a Q plate then there is no emissions test. If you’re on have a non Q plate then if you don’t have a value on you V5C then they can’t test emissions. If the MOT tester says they can/will then they need re-training as the guidance is clear & obvious.
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