Nick Algar - Competition Secretary Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 The Speed Committee wish to give early advice as to the thinking of the 2024 championship and detailed regs will be published later. Looking at the numbers year on year scoring in the WSCC speed series it is obvious that it needs to change for 2024 and beyond or risk dropping to such low numbers that it won't be worth running. Looking at the previous championships that have been run and talking to people that have competed in them a couple of key things have emerged which are worth changing. We currently run our own classes which is fine if the championship has a lot of numbers at one stage it was up to 120, we aren't there now and we are down at something like 25 Westfield's competing for 2023. So with regard to classes and looking at the venues that we go to during the year as a championship the speed series organising team consider it is sensible to change our classes to match the classes at the events that we are running at, to that end we're going to adopt the Northern and Midland speed series classes as shown below. One of the biggest advantages of doing this is that it allows our Championship scores to consider all other (None WSCC) competitors in the class for scoring purposes. So, if you come 1st in the class, you will score more than another WSCC competitor who whilst fastest WSCC competitor, only came 3rd in the class. North & Midlands Speed Classes 2024 Road Cars - Specialist Production: (S12) 2A: Kit, Replica & Spaceframed Cars up to and including 1800cc (car derived engines) 2B: Kit, Replica & Spaceframed Cars over 1800cc (car derived engines) 2C: Kit, Replica & Spaceframed Cars (motorcycle derived engines) Modified Cars - Specialist Production (S13) 3F: Modified Kit, Replica & Spaceframed Cars up to and including1800cc (car derived engines) 3G: Modified Kit, Replica & Spaceframed Cars over 1800cc (car derived engines) 3H: Modified Kit, Replica & Spaceframed Cars (motorcycle derived engines) We have also taken on board the complexity of the current scoring which can be confusing not only existing competitors but also people that might look to enter the speed series. When the series was created back in 1998 it ran with a simple scoring system where first past the post got us a set number of points it was 17 back then then second was 16 carrying on down, the advantage of this type of system is that it's relatively simple to understand the points that you have just scored at an event, and also to understand where you stand in the whole of the championship quite quickly. So, we're going to go back to a simple scoring system where you get a maximum score of 10 points if you are first in your class then on down at one point at a time. We hope this will mean that people will be able to understand the scoring system and more importantly understand exactly how many points they have achieved at any event that they go to. For the Overall Championship your total score from your best 8 rounds will count. For Mini Sprint series your best total score from 5 rounds of 6 events will count. Enclosed for background are the North & Midland Classes and how they got to where they are. Classes & Clarifications Background.pdf Northern & MIdland Classes 2024.pdf 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two7 Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 Just checking, i have a 2l zetec , i will be in class 2B, with other wscc drivers as well as caterhams and zeros etc. If there are fewer than 10 class 2B cars and i come last I still get some points but no points if there is more than 10 2B cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Algar - Competition Secretary Posted December 24, 2023 Author Share Posted December 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Two7 said: Just checking, i have a 2l zetec , i will be in class 2B, with other wscc drivers as well as caterhams and zeros etc. If there are fewer than 10 class 2B cars and i come last I still get some points but no points if there is more than 10 2B cars. That's correct, for any championship you'd want to drop scores that low though. However it's not usual to see classes that size these days, but does happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Houlgate Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 Pleased that you have changed the scoring system Nick, I never understood the previous one. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogers79 Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 Hi Nick, looks good. Just clarifying this is based on BARC midland series not The Midland Speed Series? The BEC being a notable difference. Cheers jez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Stanton Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 Good news ........ keep it simple ........ attract novices and grow 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Algar - Competition Secretary Posted December 30, 2023 Author Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 29/12/2023 at 07:55, Rogers79 said: Hi Nick, looks good. Just clarifying this is based on BARC midland series not The Midland Speed Series? The BEC being a notable difference. Cheers jez Hi Jez, I have struggled to get a copy of their regs, possibly me trying the wrong search words. However, it's based on the classes as outlined above. So all BEC's in one class. They won't always aline with the classes used by the organising Club but will for the majority of the events we are going to. Hope that helps. Cheers Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Lovell Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Hello, just for clarification that i'm reading this right, if there was a car running in an event in say 3g who was the fastest wscc competitor, they managed a 3rd in class (no one else in that class were a wscc competitor) then they'd score 7 points? Or am i really lost? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Algar - Competition Secretary Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 9 minutes ago, James Lovell said: Hello, just for clarification that i'm reading this right, if there was a car running in an event in say 3g who was the fastest wscc competitor, they managed a 3rd in class (no one else in that class were a wscc competitor) then they'd score 7 points? Or am i really lost? Exactly right. Very simple and gives and extra dimension to our Championship. You have to beat not only WSCC competition but others as well. Only extra thing that might reward really well performing drivers is say 1 point extra for breaking the record? Any thoughts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Lovell Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Ahh very nice system will enjoy seeing how it works out! definitely needs to be an incentive for a record! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Algar - Competition Secretary Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 21 minutes ago, James Lovell said: Ahh very nice system will enjoy seeing how it works out! definitely needs to be an incentive for a record! Thanks, hopefully it does work and we get more competitors enjoying what is a great sport. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benrobson2999 - Kent AO Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Something I may look at doing for 2025 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Hunter - Club Secretary Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 On 29/01/2024 at 17:11, Benrobson2999 - Kent AO said: Something I may look at doing for 2025 Me too, I've been considering doing an event or two myself for a while 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benrobson2999 - Kent AO Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 5 hours ago, Rob Hunter - Club Secretary said: Me too, I've been considering doing an event or two myself for a while I’d have to commit the time, and get a trailer etc so if I did it would be instead of a euro trip in 2025… we will see, love to experience it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Gaskin Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 53 minutes ago, Benrobson2999 - Kent AO said: I’d have to commit the time, and get a trailer etc so if I did it would be instead of a euro trip in 2025… we will see, love to experience it You don’t ‘need’ a trailer, yes it makes life a lot easier, but back in the day there were plenty of folks who drove to events in their Westfields! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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