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Fantastic results. Thanks for sharing!

 

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Very impressive stats.  I'd be very interested to know how front toe-out helps steering under throttle; it sounds counter-intuitive to my ill-educated mind.

Do you have any idea how your spoiler affected performance?  I recall the debate during the design and installation phase, but it clearly didn't act like the air brake that it looks like! 

I find it a fascinating balance (about which I know nothing) between down-force, drag, suspension geometry, etc etc, and it would be interesting to hear how you worked it out.

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Thanks for the questions.

 

I don’t think I would say that front toe-out helps specifically with turn-in under throttle…I would say that front toe-out helps with turn-in under all conditions. It’s my understanding that toe-out helps because it preloads the tire’s slip angle meaning that there is less time taken up with waiting for the slip angle to build before one gets an actual change in direction. The bias ply slicks I use have awesome ultimate grip but their construction means that the slip angle is very high compared to a radial street tire…and that means that the turn-in response can be slow. I have definitely found that the front toe-out helps to get the front to dig in and head in the new direction much better.

 

Also of benefit on turn-in is using the short steering arms which give more Ackerman effect…which means that toe out increases as the steering comes off center. The greater the steering angle the more toe-out. So on slower and tighter corners there is huge toe out and very aggressive turn-in and at lower steering angles it’s less aggressive.

 

 

 

The performance benefit from the rear spoiler is harder to define. At lower speeds I’ll bet it does very little to add grip. At the same time I also doubt it adds much in the way of drag at low speeds so there is very little downside. The spoiler weighs only 1 pound so the added weight is of little concern. At higher speeds it feels like the car is better planted in the rear. On a smaller and tighter course my high speed will be only about 60 mph to 65 mph but on larger more open courses I’ll see about 85 mph. So my guess is that on smaller courses that the benefit of the spoiler is small and for only a short period of time (when at peak speed) but on larger courses much more time is spent at 60-80 mph and there the benefit feels more obvious. It does act as an air brake I suppose but I always have more power than grip so the added drag is OK as long as the car stays stuck to the floor.

 

In the end it’s a matter of “accumulation of incremental gains” and none of the small changes alone amount to much. But if the spoiler drops .1 seconds (on a 60 second run time) and the front toe drops .1 seconds and the closed underbody drops .1 seconds and the front splitter drops .1 seconds……etc….pretty soon you have a can that is easier to drive faster and you’ve dropped 1/2 second…and 1/2 second is a solid winning margin.

 

 

 

When I started autocrossing 20 years ago I assumed that the fastest cars must be very difficult to drive. After all my slow car was hard to drive so going faster must be even harder. I clearly had this wrong. The fastest cars are the easiest to drive and that’s the thing that makes them quick. When I first built the Westfield in late 2014 my car was hard to drive. It was a lot of work. It understeered and oversteered and was unpredictable and hard to read. Now it’s easy and any reasonably skilled driver would be quick in it first time out. It’s really fun!

 

Dave

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6 hours ago, LoneWolf said:

Sounds like you had great fun 😊

Any video where we can see your car (and you) in action?

 

I shared this video some time back and it's the only one I have. I apologize if it's a repeat for you.

 

This was taken at an event this past spring at a local very small church parking lot. This is about as small, tight, slow and technical as autocross gets. My top speed on this course is about 63 mph (100 kph). Considering that the parking lot is only 450' x 250' hitting 63 mph while also constantly changing direction it feels plenty quick.

 

But this will give a little bit of a feel for what it looks like.

 

dave

 

 

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I found another video taken that same day, on the same course, but from a slightly different perspective. It's interesting to see the tires right on the edge of letting go so much of the time. That's a really cool feeling.

 

dave

 

 

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