darthurs Posted February 4, 2004 Posted February 4, 2004 Could anyone tell me the length of their drive shafts? Or if the two are different sizes? The issue is. I have got the SDV WF, and I have just been told that WF have never fitted drive shafts with Lobro joints to the SDV so there aren't sure if they will fit. Cheers Dan Quote
scruffythefirst Posted February 4, 2004 Posted February 4, 2004 the left (or it might be the right) is shorter than the right (or it might be the left). Sorry i can't be any more helpfull. The lengths should be the same for both the lobro and the push in though cos they were both fitted to the same sierras? i expect blatters will be along to correct my mistakes Scruffy Quote
darthurs Posted February 4, 2004 Author Posted February 4, 2004 Good. That's fine. I though the Lobro's and push in's would be the same length also. I will just have to fit them and see. I believe I am going to be the first to do this so wish me good luck. And if I am not tell me if it fits or not. Cheers Dan Quote
scruffythefirst Posted February 4, 2004 Posted February 4, 2004 Good luck The only issue would be if the larger lobro joints and gaiters clashed with anything, the left inboard dax lobro has to have the gaiter off the drum braked sierra to clear the de-dion a-frame, but thats unlikely to be a problem on a westy. Scruffy Scruffy Quote
darthurs Posted February 4, 2004 Author Posted February 4, 2004 That's what WF are worried about. But looking at things I think they will fit.... just. I will post how I get on, I am hoping to try it at weekend. Cheers Dan Quote
stu999 Posted February 4, 2004 Posted February 4, 2004 Are you looking to fit rear discs as well? If so, that *could* be an issue, if the rear uprights have been designed without lugs to hold the brake caliper. If you intend to fit drums, then you *may* find that the splines on the driveshaft on the wheel end *may* be different. If they are the same, I think you will be onto a winner..... Quote
flyingjohn Posted February 4, 2004 Posted February 4, 2004 Hi there Me doing the same thing westfield told me that the caliper mounting which is combined wheel bearing housing bolts onto the upright the same way as the back plate on the drum version. But the caliper needs to be on the front side of the upright. Check the supplement for the sdv its got the same info in there. John Quote
darthurs Posted February 5, 2004 Author Posted February 5, 2004 Yes I am fitting disks. Like John says the hub carrier gets bolted onto the rear upright and this has the lugs to hold the callipers, so this shouldn't be an issue. The main issue that keeps occurring is that the Lobro joints won't fit inside the rear upright, as the SDV kit has been designed with the Type A diff arrangement. WF haven't said that it won't fit, they just said it might not as they have never tried it. I will trial fit it at weekend and post my findings. Thanks for the responses. Dan Quote
flyingjohn Posted February 5, 2004 Posted February 5, 2004 Hello Dan E-mailed mark at westfield this morning to check on some points. He said the only problem may be the bolts in the kit may not be long enough for the hub mounting. He also said a lot of sdv builders are going the same way Disks i mean ha ha. He said just make sure to mount the caliper to the front of the upright. How far along are you with the sdv and where are you from? are you injoying the build i know i am makes a change from building model areoplanes and helecopters. all the best John. Quote
darthurs Posted February 5, 2004 Author Posted February 5, 2004 Hi John, Hi have also spoken to Mark and he is the one that initially told me that I may have issues with this setup. The bolts in the kit aren't long enough to hold the hub carrier to the upright, they need to be about 10mm longer. I have just asked him to confirm the mounting of the callipers as I have seen a picture of them mounted towards the rear. I am not doing to bad with it. It is looking like a car now and I am not far off getting it on its wheels. I bought the full SDV kit from WF. The main thing that I need sorting at the moment is the engine (getting it rebuilt). I live in Bolton but I am building the car at my mum and dads in south Manchester. I am enjoying it (apart from dropping a drive shaft and hub on my toe), I have had it since November. It is just costing more than I thought. I can't wait until it is built and I can drive it. How about you? Where you from, how far on are you? Dan Quote
stu999 Posted February 5, 2004 Posted February 5, 2004 I have just asked him to confirm the mounting of the callipers as I have seen a picture of them mounted towards the rear. *Sounds* like the standard Westfield setup, with the caliper lugs cast into the upright..... I'm guessing that with the SDV, the original hub/bearing carrier is bolted onto the Westfield upright. This being the case, I'm also assuming (rightly or wrongly) that the holes are pre drilled into the upright to accomodate the hub carrier. So you may not get much choice as to where the caliper ends up, unless there is scope to re-drill the holes There may also be clearence issues between caliper and upright, depending where it is mounted. I dont know what size wheels you intend to fit, but using the standard Sierra caliper disc setup restricts you to at least 14" wheels, a bummer if you had planned 13's This also means that you may find the rears end up being overbraked in relation to the fronts, due to the larger disk diameter. Folk have trouble with this even with the smaller dia. Escort discs and calipers. As you say though, you are the first to look into it, and it may all work out OK. Good luck, and keep us informed. Stu. Quote
darthurs Posted February 5, 2004 Author Posted February 5, 2004 Hi Stu, The hub carriers off the donor car bolt directly onto the WF supplied uprights (as you said). The calliper mounting lugs are part of the hub carrier not the WF uprights. The hub carriers can be mounted upside down and will still fit (i.e. positioning the mounting lugs for the callipers on the opposite side). I also don't think there will be an issue with clearance which ever side it is mounted. In fact I can't see the difference myself. I am fitting 15" wheels on so fitting of brakes within wheels shouldn't be an issue. I have also got the original Sierra brakes on the front so the balance of braking shouldn't be an issue either. I will let everyone know at weekend. I am quietly confident that everything will fit fine. Fingers and toes crossed.... Thanks Dan Quote
Ragtop Posted February 5, 2004 Posted February 5, 2004 Dan You will be very pleased to know you are not the first to fit rear discs, and therefore Lobros, to a SDV I am building my SDV with rear discs. The only 'problems' so far (although the over-braking issue may be a future problem) have been as follows: The supplied hub carrier bolts are too short - I got 65mm ones from Westfield (which were too long but I cut them down) The hub/brake carrier is fitted forward rather than to the rear You obviously need to swap the drum handbrake cable for a standard SEiW one Finally, you cannot swap the bleed nipple and rear flexi input (to assist bleeding) as it says in the manual cos the flexi will not reach. If you need pics or anything give me a shout and I will try to post some up (I think ive seen some instructions somewhere on the site ) Finally BTW the long and short driveshafts will only go on one way - it will be obvious when you fit the diff and they fit the carrier fine Quote
Ragtop Posted February 5, 2004 Posted February 5, 2004 Dan You will be very pleased to know you are not the first to fit rear discs, and therefore Lobros, to a SDV I am building my SDV with rear discs. The only 'problems' so far (although the over-braking issue may be a future problem) have been as follows: The supplied hub carrier bolts are too short - I got 65mm ones from Westfield (which were too long but I cut them down) The hub/brake carrier is fitted forward rather than to the rear You obviously need to swap the drum handbrake cable for a standard SEiW one Finally, you cannot swap the bleed nipple and rear flexi input (to assist bleeding) as it says in the manual cos the flexi will not reach. If you need pics or anything give me a shout and I will try to post some up (I think ive seen some instructions somewhere on the site ) Finally BTW the long and short driveshafts will only fit one way - it will be obvious when you fit the diff and they also clear the carrier fine Quote
darthurs Posted February 6, 2004 Author Posted February 6, 2004 Cheers Ragtop, Saves me trial fitting them this weekend. *I have got the correct handbrake cable. *I have already noticed that the bolts were too short, so I will get some more. *I will just have to struggle with the bleeding like you. I should be OK for the time being. But I will put you in my contacts so I can bug you at a later date. Thanks for the help. Dan Quote
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