DonPeffers Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54057512 Jammie Dodgers production under threat as staff revolt. Production of Wagon Wheels and Jammie Dodger biscuits could be halted at an Edinburgh factory this month as staff strike over pay (request for a 7% pay rise), a union has warned. More than 400 workers are employed at its Edinburgh factory, which makes around 7.5 million biscuits a day. A Burton's Biscuits spokesman said it was "shocked" at GMB's request for a 7% pay rise but keen to resume talks. Possibly over tea and biscuits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan France Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 In a different life their Blackpool site was one of our customers. The staff/suppliers discounted shop was simply dangerous to health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve (sdh2903) Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Biscuit purchases were up was £19m during 3 months of lockdown. Sounds like they've earned a rise. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53484355 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyonspride Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 God I hate the BBC....... They're so two faced!! When the fire service went on strike several years ago, the BBC called them greedy and failed to mention that it was actually over safety and equipment concerns, not money. I only found out the real reason because I was on holiday in Greece at the time and had unblocked access to European news websites, who presented quite a different story to what was seen here in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryD1971 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 When the fire service go on strike, it's always the last resort after all other avenues have been exhausted. The last time was for our pensions, which despite us signing a legally binding contract, meant nothing to the government as they just changed the law to suit themselves and pushed ahead with the pension changes. The Fire Brigades Union mounted a legal challenge and won the case. The government appealed the decision and lost again. Oddly enough, the BBC haven't reported on this at all... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 3 hours ago, GaryD1971 said: When the fire service go on strike, it's always the last resort after all other avenues have been exhausted. The last time was for our pensions, which despite us signing a legally binding contract, meant nothing to the government as they just changed the law to suit themselves and pushed ahead with the pension changes. The Fire Brigades Union mounted a legal challenge and won the case. The government appealed the decision and lost again. Oddly enough, the BBC haven't reported on this at all... There's a new DG at the Beeb who is either on a bit of a crusade to return to impartiality or is simply virtue signalling as he eases himself towards the obligatory knighthood. Maybe ask him why it hasn't been reported and what is stopping them reporting it now. After all, it's never too late to get good news and right a wrong... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyonspride Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Blatman said: There's a new DG at the Beeb who is either on a bit of a crusade to return to impartiality or is simply virtue signalling as he eases himself towards the obligatory knighthood. Maybe ask him why it hasn't been reported and what is stopping them reporting it now. After all, it's never too late to get good news and right a wrong... I think he'll get his wings clipped pretty quickly, people on the inside say that the management doesn't actually run the BBC, the woke cultists do, and there are so many of them that they have a majority control whilst management have to kowtow to it if they want to keep their highly paid jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory's Dad Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 "woke cultists"?? Who are they?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 13 hours ago, Lyonspride said: people on the inside say that the management doesn't actually run the BBC, the woke cultists do Name them. I worked in TV for a VERY long time and I have plenty of contacts (non-journo's) at the Beeb. Reporting is one thing. Corporate culture is another. I'm not saying they can't be related but I promise you the folks I know ain't woke, or even vaguely PC, much like myself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyonspride Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Blatman said: Name them. I worked in TV for a VERY long time and I have plenty of contacts (non-journo's) at the Beeb. Reporting is one thing. Corporate culture is another. I'm not saying they can't be related but I promise you the folks I know ain't woke, or even vaguely PC, much like myself... Well, let me put it this way.......... At one of my former locations of employment, we had a small number of young 20 something females, who were not particularly intelligent, not particularly useful at anything the company needed doing, they sort of floated between reception (we didn't need a receptionist) and social media marketing (we didn't need marketing due the secretive nature of our customers), most of the time they sat doing online shopping on Asos, or stomping about at high speed with a chipboard and blank piece of paper. However they were untouchable, you couldn't say a word against them AND they always got whatever they wanted, they took 2 hour lunches, they came in late, they took days off at zero notice and they were the exception to most workplace rules. I suspect it's a similar situation at the BBC, a relatively small number of useless people, who seemingly always get their own way, for reasons I won't speculate too much on, but to say that I think the legacy of Mr Savile lives on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Lyonspride said: I suspect it's a similar situation at the BBC, a relatively small number of useless people, who seemingly always get their own way, for reasons I won't speculate too much on, It's ALL speculation on your part. Answer the question. Who are these insiders and how did they convey the information to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyonspride Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Blatman said: It's ALL speculation on your part. Answer the question. Who are these insiders and how did they convey the information to you? I'm not going to name people, you've seen what happens, i'm not going to cost someone their job. One of my mates travels all over the world doing technical stuff for the BBC, as part of a large team setting everything up, mostly coverage of sporting events, but not always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Quite a lot of those guys are contractors rather than employees and are subject to much different rules and regs than actual BBC employees. They can be a decent source of info but even those guys have gaps in their knowledge and understanding of what and how of actual employees. So what do insiders say about "management doesn't really run the BBC"? Sounds like an allegory of "the President doesn't really run the country" and that has a ring of truth about it. It's not practical for those in senior positions to be managing at ground level so to me this is an entirely normal state of affairs. What is your understanding of how this might differ at the BBC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyonspride Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 36 minutes ago, Blatman said: Quite a lot of those guys are contractors rather than employees and are subject to much different rules and regs than actual BBC employees. They can be a decent source of info but even those guys have gaps in their knowledge and understanding of what and how of actual employees. So what do insiders say about "management doesn't really run the BBC"? Sounds like an allegory of "the President doesn't really run the country" and that has a ring of truth about it. It's not practical for those in senior positions to be managing at ground level so to me this is an entirely normal state of affairs. What is your understanding of how this might differ at the BBC? It's my opinion that management should be aware of what's going on AND have the final say, so when the social justice warriors start banning "Land of hope and glory", there should be a level headed manager able and willing to put them back in line, and from what I can gather that is not happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 It seems your wish has been granted: Quote The BBC’s new director-general on Wednesday reversed the ban on the singing of Rule, Britannia! at The Last Night of the Proms ,and even encouraged the nation to sing along. On just his second day in post, Tim Davie ordered the U-turn amid criticism of the corporation over claims that the lyrics to Rule Britannia! and Land of Hope and Glory had been ditched over their associations with slavery and British colonialism. In a statement, the BBC said the initial decision not to sing the patriotic anthems had been taken because of coronavirus restrictions but that after “looking hard at what else might be possible we have a solution”. In place of a full choir, the BBC had now decided to put in place a “select group of singers” who will sing the pieces inside the Royal Albert Hall with “audiences free to sing along at home”. Plenty of outlets carrying this but that specific quote came from the The Telegraph Note that it was a BBC "departmental" decision not to sing the words, the missive coming from the controller of Radio 3 and the Director of the Proms, rather than a direct order from the BBC on high. As for senior management should know what's going on at ground level, that becomes impractical even with moderately sized company's. Seniors will get summaries of what is going on but truly knowing what is going on is not practical and I would hope the senior folk have more important things to do. I'm 100% certain the MD of my company has no idea what I do or what I think, ever, when I'm doing things in the company name, unless of course I do something catastrophically dumb in which case he'll know because he'll get a report from a line manager, which is as close as he'll ever get to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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