Jeremy Corbyn vows to give Chequers to homeless

[Alan France]

Just a minor point Jeremy, whilst the homeless deserve better, it’s not yours to give away.
 

Perhaps your team should read the Chequers Estate Act. 1917. Especially the bit about if the current PM doesn’t want it, you won’t like who it can be offered to. Tip, the current individual is part of the Johnson & Johnson family, first name Woody.

[DonPeffers]

I get the impression that Labour are just making up pointless, worthless promises every night in the pub.

 

They started off with their much vaunted Manifesto and Grey Book showing plans were fully costed to stress their seriousness at being a credible Party of Government.

 

Now it seems daily announcements of additional policies NOT previously costed by Labour nor included in the Grey Book:-

 

(1) 100 million trees every year for next 20 years = 2 Bn trees planted. 

 

(2) "Labour government would save families more than £6,700 a year claims John McDonnell....

 savings of £559 on energy bills, £113 on water, £364 on broadband, £2,194 on a pair of rail season tickets, £2,941 per child on average for childcare, £108 on yearly prescription charges and £437 on free school meals. At the heart of the plan is Labour’s renationalisation of mail, water, energy and rail, as well as the free public provision of broadband." ---- even the left leaning Guardian newspaper fact check disagrees--https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/04/would-labour-really-save-families-more-than-6700-a-year

 

(3) 20,000 new school teachers.

 

(4) £57.5 BN cost (over next 5 years) to cover State Pensions mostly for WASPI ladies.

 

(5) Corbyn's recent promise of (more) compensation (no amount mentioned) for Chagos islanders (recent UN case lost by UK but still disputed---NOT by Corbyn).

 

(6) As Alan mentions above Chequers to house homeless, Corbyn offers.

 

BBCs Andrew Neil asked  "is there no limit to the Corbyn credit card?".  I guess we know the answer.

 

Wasn't it Corbyn a while back had himself filmed on a train sitting on the floor complaining how full the train was? Might be more crowded at peak times if the price drops by one third.

 

I reckon all the parties are just making stuff up like the Tory claim of  50,000 additional nurses when 19,000 of that number are those assumed to be retained when they would normally leave/retire.

 

In 2017 France had an unpalatable choice to vote for Le Pen or Macron and chose Macron as the least worst. It is now week 55 of violent gilets jaunes protests against the Macron Government which has seen deaths and maimings (eyes and fingers lost to rubber bullets and exploding rubber pellet grenades).

 

On 12 Dec we have an unpalatable choice and I don't have an answer as both the main parties seem equally appalling to me (LibUnDems even worse).

 

I recall Income Tax at basic rate under Labour in mid 1970s was 35% (now 20%)....only saving grace was N.I. conts. were then about 5% (now 12% between £166 a week and £962 a week). 

 

Can anyone see a rational way thru this?

 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2019 by DonPeffers
19k NOT 31k assumed retained nurses

[Alan France]

Two neighbours live in a semi detached house.
 

Both families have similar incomes.

 

One family spends 28 times more than the other.

 

How is that likely to go?

[DonPeffers]

General election 2019: How do spending plans compare?   https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50545673

[Nick Algar - Competition Secretary]

58 minutes ago, DonPeffers said:

General election 2019: How do spending plans compare?  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50545673

 

I think that really answers your question Don, why would anyone vote to make the country Bust in the very near future. Contrary to some political comentary the UK is actually doing pretty well financially, certainly seem to be better than a lot of the rest of the EU, which is looking like it's heading for a real problem. And have you seem how much they have just voted to spend on climate change, very scary.

[Man On The Clapham Omnibus]

I have costed a new Ferrari and a bigger house. Have I funded it? Not a chance! 

[Nick Algar - Competition Secretary]

3 hours ago, Man On The Clapham Omnibus said:

I have costed a new Ferrari and a bigger house. Have I funded it? Not a chance! 

 

Think you got that one slightly wrong.

"I have costed a new Ferrari and a bigger house. I'm going to take your money to pay for it."

[AdamR]

And the Conservatives version... "I've already got a huge house and a Ferrari, but I'm going to email you every couple of days begging for donations anyway"

[RICHARD+PHILIP]

To quote Maggy T

"The problem with socialism is.. eventually you run out of other peoples money"

[DonPeffers]

Will Andrew Neil interview Boris Johnson?   6 Dec 2019  https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10494550/will-andrew-neil-interview-boris-johnson/

 

Can someone really be PM if they cannot face up to a 30 minute televised political interrogation?

 

Where is your strength and resilience Boris? On the World stage the PM will have to stand up to much more.

 

Perhaps Andrew Neil would characterize Boris' EU withdrawal deal as a turkey requiring a great deal of cooking to make it palatable and safe.

 

As all the other Party Leaders have faced the interviewer IMO Boris MUST do it and NOT duck the issue. He is effectively applying for the most responsible post in the Land and needs to demonstrate resolve.

 

24 June 2019  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-leadership-debate-boris-johnson-tv-sky-news-jeremy-hunt-conservatives-a8971811.html  Boris Johnson: Tory leadership debate cancelled because frontrunner refuses to take part.

 

From the article above, Jeremy Hunt's comment   “So don’t be a coward Boris, man up and show the nation you can cope with the intense scrutiny the most difficult job in the country will involve.”

 

Well Boris?

[Blatman]

8 hours ago, DonPeffers said:

He is effectively applying for the most responsible post in the Land and needs to demonstrate resolve.

Really? Lets see... Over the last 3 years Boris has been Foreign Sec, lead the Leave campaign, got stabbed in the back by Gove, resigned as Foreign Sec, had to endure enormous scrutiny of everything he says (quite rightly) and still finds himself as PM. I doubt Andrew Neill is going to shake him loose.

 

Surely resolve, strength and independence is exactly what is needed when despite huge pressure to do something the individual doesn't actually buckle?

[Arm]

Why should any of the politicians be interviewed on demand. I've seen too many interviews already from the whole bunch of them and don't believe what any say.

 

So NO he nor any of the others MUST do an interview. 

[Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman]

Why do an interview when regardless of what you say, all that will be portrayed in the edit is the agenda of the interviewer/organisation doing broadcasting it. Pointless.

[tolf]

On 05/12/2019 at 15:50, DonPeffers said:

I get the impression that Labour are just making up pointless, worthless promises every night in the pub.

 

They started off with their much vaunted Manifesto and Grey Book showing plans were fully costed to stress their seriousness at being a credible Party of Government.

 

Now it seems daily announcements of additional policies NOT previously costed by Labour nor included in the Grey Book:-

 

(1) 100 million trees every year for next 20 years = 2 Bn trees planted. 

 

(2) "Labour government would save families more than £6,700 a year claims John McDonnell....

 savings of £559 on energy bills, £113 on water, £364 on broadband, £2,194 on a pair of rail season tickets, £2,941 per child on average for childcare, £108 on yearly prescription charges and £437 on free school meals. At the heart of the plan is Labour’s renationalisation of mail, water, energy and rail, as well as the free public provision of broadband." ---- even the left leaning Guardian newspaper fact check disagrees--https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/04/would-labour-really-save-families-more-than-6700-a-year

 

(3) 20,000 new school teachers.

 

(4) £57.5 BN cost (over next 5 years) to cover State Pensions mostly for WASPI ladies.

 

(5) Corbyn's recent promise of (more) compensation (no amount mentioned) for Chagos islanders (recent UN case lost by UK but still disputed---NOT by Corbyn).

 

(6) As Alan mentions above Chequers to house homeless, Corbyn offers.

 

BBCs Andrew Neil asked  "is there no limit to the Corbyn credit card?".  I guess we know the answer.

 

Wasn't it Corbyn a while back had himself filmed on a train sitting on the floor complaining how full the train was? Might be more crowded at peak times if the price drops by one third.

 

I reckon all the parties are just making stuff up like the Tory claim of  50,000 additional nurses when 19,000 of that number are those assumed to be retained when they would normally leave/retire.

 

In 2017 France had an unpalatable choice to vote for Le Pen or Macron and chose Macron as the least worst. It is now week 55 of violent gilets jaunes protests against the Macron Government which has seen deaths and maimings (eyes and fingers lost to rubber bullets and exploding rubber pellet grenades).

 

On 12 Dec we have an unpalatable choice and I don't have an answer as both the main parties seem equally appalling to me (LibUnDems even worse).

 

I recall Income Tax at basic rate under Labour in mid 1970s was 35% (now 20%)....only saving grace was N.I. conts. were then about 5% (now 12% between £166 a week and £962 a week). 

 

Can anyone see a rational way thru this?

 

 

 

As usual Labour are full of lies and rubbish. Perhaps Diane Abbot was doing the maths!

[DonPeffers]

16 hours ago, Blatman said:

Really? Lets see... Over the last 3 years Boris has been Foreign Sec, lead the Leave campaign, got stabbed in the back by Gove, resigned as Foreign Sec, had to endure enormous scrutiny of everything he says (quite rightly) and still finds himself as PM. I doubt Andrew Neill is going to shake him loose.

 

Surely resolve, strength and independence is exactly what is needed when despite huge pressure to do something the individual doesn't actually buckle?

 

10 hours ago, Arm said:

Why should any of the politicians be interviewed on demand. I've seen too many interviews already from the whole bunch of them and don't believe what any say.

 

So NO he nor any of the others MUST do an interview. 

Boris Johnson: 15 of the Conservative leader's most calamitous mistakes and gaffes  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-prime-minister-leader-mistakes-gaffes-iran-libya-muslims-europe-sacked-a9016666.html   these include major gaffes as Foreign Secretary as the Zaghari-Ratcliffe's know.

The resolve to hide is not admirable and IMO shows repeated weakness as Jeremy Hunt's comment from June 2019 highlights.

All we have had so far is bluster and repeated slogans such as 'Get Brexit Done' when even if a Tory majority arises after Gen. Election and Boris' new Brexit plan is enacted we are still in a transition to exit possibly on 31 Dec 2020 or later by agreement.

 

While the seven-way debates have been a noisy, shouting farce, a serious face to face interview to delve into the accuracy of manifesto claims, statements and effects of policies is worthwhile. If you've seen too many already, don't watch.

 

My understanding is the Andrew Neil interviews are live and unedited. Also BBC are said to be  furious that verbal agreements to take part in the series are not being honoured by the Conservatives.

 

Do bear in mind it's not just Andrew Neil that Bojo is avoiding doing an interview with.   05 Dec 2019  https://www.itv.com/news/2019-12-05/itv-confirms-prime-minister-has-refused-julie-etchingham-interview/    ITV confirms Prime Minister has refused Julie Etchingham interview.

 

I guess Bojo was afraid that the terrifying Ms Etchingham would ask him the same question she asked Mrs May...."what's the naughtiest thing you've ever done".

 

An 86 year old lady was asked who she would vote for by a Sky reporter in the street. She said I don't like the RED one (JC presumably) nor the buffoon.

There speaks experience.