2019 Speedseries Results - Pembrey 1 & 2 (R13 & R14))

[Tigger]

Results for a very changeable Pembrey are below.
I hear the weather wasn't as good over there so I can safely say "East side is the best" 😄

 

I digress, results are as follows:

 

Pembrey (R13) - Saturday's Results

Pembrey (R14) - Sunday's Results

 

Tiggs

[cphelps]

Hi Tigger,

 

I'm a little confused by your results as you seem to have used the times from timed run 3 but not included Del and Gary, for the Saturday. Also, we were informed that timed run 3 on both days would not be part of official results, and therefore not count towards a championship, so timed runs 1 & 2 should have been used, and not timed run 3.

 

Thanks for getting the results out so quickly!

[Terry Everall]

Charlotte

I have had discussions with several drivers and the organisers about what happened at Pembrey.

Del and Garry will not pay for the Saturday as they were only Reserves and will get their money back so in reality they did not complete and the same for Howard Gaskin

 

Our championship regs allow all Timed runs to count and it was only the trophies on the day that did not use T3. The T3 results were published so we are using them.

[John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison]

2 hours ago, Terry Everall - WSCC Competition Secretary said:

Charlotte

I have had discussions with several drivers and the organisers about what happened at Pembrey.

Del and Garry will not pay for the Saturday as they were only Reserves and will get their money back so in reality they did not complete and the same for Howard Gaskin

 

Our championship regs allow all Timed runs to count and it was only the trophies on the day that did not use T3. The T3 results were published so we are using them.

 

As Terry says. All timed runs count unless its a fun run or a run off. I have no idea why they only awarded trophies on the first 2 runs but lets give them the benefit of the doubt given that it was their first attempt at running it

[cphelps]

John you may not have heard, as the communication was a little dodgy, but we were told the third run would be a fun run that would not count towards any trophy or championship. If that was to not be the case then Del and Gary entered the event in this championship and their runs should count.

[John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison]

5 minutes ago, cphelps said:

John you may not have heard, as the communication was a little dodgy, but we were told the third run would be a fun run that would not count towards any trophy or championship. If that was to not be the case then Del and Gary entered the event in this championship and their runs should count.

 

Charlotte. If that was said I did not hear it. Do you know if it is officially stated somewhere as we cannot go by hearsay. It also sounds like Del and Garry have already requested a refund anyway. 

[cphelps]

Nothing was officially stated anywhere this weekend...

 

But the clerk of the course made an announcement to say that T3 did not count towards any event or championship on both days.

 

I believe Del and Gary should get a refund, I do not argue that. But if their runs don't count as part of the event then neither should anyone else's in my opinion. I'm not contesting a championship lead, so in the end it doesn't affect me that greatly, but I think consistency is key.

[mark.anson]

38 minutes ago, John said:

 

Charlotte. If that was said I did not hear it. Do you know if it is officially stated somewhere as we cannot go by hearsay. It also sounds like Del and Garry have already requested a refund anyway. 

 

Same here I didn’t hear it either but the communication was shocking.

As a matter of interest was there a drivers briefing and was it mentioned in that.

( If there was very few folk in the NAT A paddock knew about it and didn’t go. 

I personally  only took the third run as I didn’t make the run offs and in any case I’m only doing class J out of loyalty and for fun so I’m not bothered about the points,)even though T3 would have got me a pot) so the points don’t matter to me.

I agree Charlotte it’s a difficult one as there was nothing in the finals regs or anything said at a drivers briefing.

 

I know Terry has spoken to Del and Garry and the other drivers that were there and will have based the decision on those conversations.

It a far from ideal situation created by the organising club and not of our making.

Please free to give Terry a call if you have any further questions. 

 

[Terry Everall]

Charlotte. Thanks for your feedback. I have spoken to Brian Parsons of BARC Wales who has admitted that they got thinks wrong and that the Clerk of the Course caused confusion particularly on Sunday when T3 was announced as counting for the awards and 5 skins later this was revoked. In my opinion the T3 runs were not just fun runs as they were officially recorded by TSL as TIMED RUN 3 and that is why I have used them. I knew that the results would create some questions but this was not of our making and our Regulations about all runs counting is clear. I do not believe it is up to organisers to suggest that the T3 run would not count and indeed Brian told me he considered that clubs would use T3 for their championships if the Regs allowed it. This is particularly important at events where we only have 1 practice rather than 2 as it would meant that drivers only get 3 competitive timed runs rather than 4 and that reduces value for money.

 

[Rogers79]

Charlotte is correct regarding the tannoy. They firstly stated T3 would count then 5 minutes later they withdraw the statement and said T3 was a fun run and would not count. It’s not in my interests to have T3 scrubbed as it was my best time, but in a fair and friendly championship we entered T3 for fun and rivalry. 

Maybe the posh end of the field didn’t have a tannoy in the tent!?!

 

[Terry Everall]

Jezz. I understand that the announcement you refer to was only made on Sunday and was done by the Clerk of the Course! and not agreed with the organisers. Also the results for Timed Run 3 were issued by TSL. (If it was a Fun run then that would not have happened). As far as I know all the Westfields did T3 so it looks fair to me in view of our own Regs where we always count all Runs that are offered and completed by our classes.