Modern cars are easier to steal............

[Thrustyjust]

So, any keyless cars are easy to steal without even entering the house and beat you up to take the keys.Seems crazy how simple this system is and the Police say just fit a disc lock.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-42132804/relay-crime-theft-caught-on-camera

First we had OBD theft now this. One of our cars is keyless, so makes me wonder who could come up the drive , open the door and drive off in seconds !

 

[Dommo]

Surely you just don't keep your keys by the front door so it's never in range of the first repeater? I must admit I used to leave my keys in my coat pocket until I realised I could still unlock the car and start it. Oops!

[Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman]

8 minutes ago, Dommo said:

Surely you just don't keep your keys by the front door so it's never in range of the first repeater? 

That makes rather an assumption about house sizes and layout! Because of the layout of my house, you can’t get more than 3 or 4m from an outside wall.

[Nick Algar - Competition Secretary]

I've had keyless cars for years now but keys are kept far enough away that the signal doesn't reach. But I did see something about thieves with signal boosters where one was close to the house and the other close to the car and they got round it like that. But how do they then deal with the car once stolen ??

[corsechris]

This has been about for a while now. Just look at how many “key safes” you can buy on eBay. Various sorts of RF proof boxes, cases, pouches to store your keys in. The transponder can be disabled easily on ours, a quick double-tap of the lock button on the fob disables that key until you next press a button on it, logically, the unlock button. Interestingly, the manual describes this as a battery saving feature, not a security one. Not buying it myself. Given the option, I’d have rather not had the Keyless Go, but it came with the car as standard.

[corsechris]

2 minutes ago, Nick - Joint North East AO said:

I've had keyless cars for years now but keys are kept far enough away that the signal doesn't reach. But I did see something about thieves with signal boosters where one was close to the house and the other close to the car and they got round it like that. But how do they then deal with the car once stolen ??

I’d imagine that once their man in the middle system has spoofed the key, it then has the required code seed to generate new ones as required whenever the car interrogates it. I know ours will chat with the key at intervals as you drive along.

[Nick Algar - Competition Secretary]

2 hours ago, corsechris said:

I’d imagine that once their man in the middle system has spoofed the key, it then has the required code seed to generate new ones as required whenever the car interrogates it. I know ours will chat with the key at intervals as you drive along.

Ah, is that how it's done, sneeky

[pistonbroke]

have to wonder how long before some enterprising toe rag invents the machine for reading all your bank cards of the tap and go type ?

 

 

 

 

[Stuart]

Am I right in saying that this only applies to cars that open by proximity of the key fob, not the ones where you have to push a button on the fob?

[Lyonspride]

The problem isn't one of security, the problem is arrogant management asking arrogant designers to produce a secure system in a set time frame and then rushing it to market without proper testing and ignoring the concerns raised by the engineering team.

In fact you can guarantee this flaw was flagged and someone got either a good telling off or lost their job for doing so. Because when you flag something like this, the blame train sets in motion and when it reaches the management it turns right around heading back down hill and runs over the messenger.

[Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman]

2 hours ago, pistonbroke said:

have to wonder how long before some enterprising toe rag invents the machine for reading all your bank cards of the tap and go type ?

 

 

 

 

They already have.

[Lyonspride]

3 minutes ago, Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Secretary said:

They already have.

Indeed!

In fact more precisely they already had even before they came out......

The govt and banks were promoting the technology whilst a tonne of people were telling them it was insecure, I can only assume that contracts had been signed, many rounds of golf had been played and money had already changed hands.

[pistonbroke]

2 hours ago, Lyonspride said:

Indeed!

In fact more precisely they already had even before they came out......

The govt and banks were promoting the technology whilst a tonne of people were telling them it was insecure, I can only assume that contracts had been signed, many rounds of golf had been played and money had already changed hands.

But when I very recently contacted Natwest customer service to complain about my new card having this feature and not giving me the choice , I got told "all the stories about card reader fraud were all poppycock and that they were very secure , no need to worry , on the very remote chance it did happen , I would be compensated ". 

 

[Dommo]

The reason contactless payments are limited to £30 is to reduce the banks exposure to fraud. And if it is used contactless too many times it will require a PIN transaction before allowing any more.

[CosKev]

On 27/11/2017 at 17:48, pistonbroke said:

But when I very recently contacted Natwest customer service to complain about my new card having this feature and not giving me the choice , I got told "all the stories about card reader fraud were all poppycock and that they were very secure , no need to worry , on the very remote chance it did happen , I would be compensated ". 

 

You can get a App on smart phones that read the contactless cards details. 

All they need to do is place the phone near your wallet in your pocket and it will read the details

I've got mine inside a protective cover inside my wallet, which blocks anyone reading the details.