New engine

[The Cheese]

Right guys 

I have a 2012 westfield with a standard 2.0 blacktop 

looking for more power , was going with the new st engine 

what engines would you recommend regarding ease of fit power and reliability 

look forward to your suggestions 

[Thrustyjust]

You can fit the new ST engine, but its a damn lot of work, with fly by wire throttle etc. Or the 1600 ST engine with similar work, or just fit a supercharger for progressive power increase and using the engine you already have.

[Steve (sdh2903)]

What's your budget?

The 2.0 ecoboost is a great engine but it will cost you as a swap. Have a word with @Simon67 as he has completed a swap. I'd expect aiming for a 250-300 bhp setup you will be looking around 5-6k so if you have a healthy blacktop then may be a rotrex supercharger kit would be a good option as thrusty said.

Or if you have deep pockets and are a bit mental go for a 2.3 crate engine with 310bhp 320lbsft out of the box. Same size externally as the 2.0. Bargain really with all the electronics and pedal etc to make it run.

http://www.andersonfordmotorsport.com/m-6007-23tk-ford-performance-2-3l-ecoboost-engine-and-control-pack-kit/

[The Cheese]

Not sounding boastful 

not bothered about price but want min 250 Bhp 

tbsnks for your advice 

blacktop removed rebuilt remapped and turbo/ supercharged sounds good 

[Steve (sdh2903)]

Well as a very rough guide for the 2.0 ecoboost.

1500 used engine 

1500 ecu pack (ford racing ready mapped 252bhp out the box)

300 clutch

250-500 gearbox

500-800 intercooler package

300 sump

500 ish on hoses etc 

Versus 3500+vat for the rotrex (plus intercooling)  for circa 220bhp. But they go up to 400bhp......

[Thrustyjust]

Plus exhaust, mapping ( still worth checking, as all engines and inlets and exhausts are different) and little bits too, soon adds up, whatever you do.

 

[Steve (sdh2903)]

Yeah knew I'd forget something. Although the exhaust is a very simple 1 3" pipe.

No mapping required on the ford racing bosch ecu. It's clever enough to sort itself out with the correct inlet sensors (×3) and the uego exhaust sensor. Don't know if tts provide a ready mapped set up or not.

If I was starting again and wanting to go ecoboost I'd seriously consider the 1.6. It's smaller and lighter and can easily reliably make the power your after. Engines are cheap as chips and all the sigma engine bits fit such as sump bell housing etc. Only issues is the ecus are a bit pricier and mapping is tricky.

[Steve (sdh2903)]

Sorry I found this for the 1.6. Ready mapped for 220bhp or a hybrid turbo option for 300! Not a bad price.

https://www.scs-delta.co.uk/product-page/ford-1-6-ecoboost-management-kit

[Thrustyjust]

The 1600 is the new kid on the block, but dont look on youtube for inlet valve coking from being direct injection. I guess in a Westie, they will get hot enough to prevent the build up and compression loss from being blatted.

[Steve (sdh2903)]

21 minutes ago, Thrustyjust said:

The 1600 is the new kid on the block, but dont look on youtube for inlet valve coking from being direct injection. I guess in a Westie, they will get hot enough to prevent the build up and compression loss from being blatted.

Providing you get a good one to start with i suspect it would never be too much of an issue in a westy. As you say 'spirited' use helps. That and regular servicing, lack of very short journeys etc.

[Deanspoors]

https://www.tts-performance.co.uk/single-post/2017/03/09/Ford-20ltr-Zetec 

if you haven't already seen. I have a TTS DIY Hayabusa kit fitted to my engine and the machining is very nice indeed.

[David Oxfordshire]

11 hours ago, sdh2903 said:

Sorry I found this for the 1.6. Ready mapped for 220bhp or a hybrid turbo option for 300! Not a bad price.

https://www.scs-delta.co.uk/product-page/ford-1-6-ecoboost-management-kit

Thats the ECU i have for the 1.6. Includes them modifying the original Ford loom to suit the ECU. However the costs are similar to the 2.0 with intercooler, new sump etc (Mountune now do baffles for £145 now! doh!)

Biggest pain was the exhaust that I had fabricated from scratch which also allowed a GT28 turbo to be fitted.

Cost wise the 1.6 maybe a little cheaper if you can get round the exhaust......std injectors run out of puff at 300bhp at which point you need secondary injectors.

[David Oxfordshire]

[Tim Reid]

On 08/10/2017 at 09:42, David_Thame said:

Mountune now do 1.6 engine baffles for £145 now!

Yes but looking at it it's designed for FWD application as only baffled on two sides. In a RWD application wouldn't this only baffle during acceleration and breaking?

https://www.mountunestore.com/collections/mk7-fiesta-st/products/baffled-sump-kit

However, this option looks better suited to RWD application. A bit more money and I'm not sure if engine hight is an issue using the standard sump (should know in a week or so when I get my bonnet).

http://www.shawspeed.com/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=8&vmcchk=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=11

[Kit Car Electronics]

On 08/10/2017 at 04:22, Deanspoors said:

https://www.tts-performance.co.uk/single-post/2017/03/09/Ford-20ltr-Zetec 

if you haven't already seen. I have a TTS DIY Hayabusa kit fitted to my engine and the machining is very nice indeed.

This is what I'd do, personally, with an existing black top (if it fits the chassis)