DVLA... grrr

[Ray The Brake]

Probably the easiest solution would be enable the  local M.O.T. station to look at your log book you identify new changes made, collect a signed and stamped change notification. post off to D.V.L.A. you the get an amended new log book ( No doubt there will be a fee for this )

Simples 

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[neptune]

Quinten

I would drop into NMS with the car,  I bet they would provide the letter 

[dombanks]

On ‎18‎/‎02‎/‎2017 at 21:35, Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - WSCC AO Rep said:

Sorry, but in this particular instance your left, sadly reaping the results what our fellow builders thought would be a clever way  to get what they wanted.

as one of the fellow builders that did that at the time it was what I was advised to do. there was some comment like "we might want to see it in the car running" when I asked but they didn't. cant blame people for using the system, just the system changed. I didn't hide any thing but I did register a 2L engine to a 1.8 sierra.

[DamperMan]

I had some sort of issue like yours when i fitted a diesel engine to the camper van.   I called them and they said send a report saying the engine was fitted and idenfified after the fact was fine.    I think it depends on the person at the DVLA and they are not actually bothered about the authenticity anyway they just need to tick some boxes....

[CL290005]

I had a similar issue where they changed engine number but not cc, I did provide a receipt but as I could not find the original I generated my own, I also photographed the engine and the engine number. It all went through but did get escalated to a supervisor ref the cc change. 

Just ask for it to be escalated and then ask exactly what they want from you

[DamperMan]

 Hyperthetically...  lets say a car started with a 1.6 cvh and that was on the v5.   Later a crate 2.0 zetec was fitted which had no number..   is there any reason why the v5 could not be returned to increase capacity to 2.0 but use the engine number off the Cvh. 

[Kingster]

You can't transfer the engine number.

[tisme]

11 hours ago, DamperMan said:

 Hyperthetically...  lets say a car started with a 1.6 cvh and that was on the v5.   Later a crate 2.0 zetec was fitted which had no number..   is there any reason why the v5 could not be returned to increase capacity to 2.0 but use the engine number off the Cvh. 

Hypothetically - I assume if the actual engine type didn't change but increased from 1.6 to 2.0 then that would be fine (apart from any tax increase implications). The real implications are for emissions if the engine type has changed from a pre-cat to a cat and if you left it as a 1.6cvh any fairly observant MOT examiner may notice that it's actually a Zetec (and with no serial number) -  queue alarm bells  

If the 2.0 is actually a Zetec but it doesn't have an serial number I would try and find one similar and use that code and tell them of the engine change (sections 7/24 and 7/28 on V5C) - you can probably search for an engine number online by looking for parts as they often give a range of engine serial numbers.

[Kingster]

Transfer of the identity of one engine to another is completely different to changing an engine and informing the DVLA of the new engine's capacity and identity. 

One is known as ringing the other is just form filling. 

My new crate engine had numbers stamped on by Raceline and bore no relation to the "proper" codes used for that type and year. I used those as that's what was on the block. So I believe you can make up your own as long as it is unique and doesn't belong to another engine (see above!). 

[DamperMan]

Clearly this is Hypothetical...But if the car was a Q plate then there is no tax or Emission implications.  The issue is there could be an Old CVH and Zetec sharing the same numbers.   I'm relatively confident that the DVLA don't care what the engine number is if they are happy to accept a random code from Raceline.   Leaving just the CC to alter on the documents... There wouldn't surely need to be all the questions, letters, proof needed if declaring the pistons and bores have been stretched a little..          

[MarkDab]

I'm in the exact same situation! Letter came through today off DVLA asking for documentary evidence. I have no documentation for the new engine so don't know what to do! It's been off the road for 6 months while I've been rebuilding it and it's now time to put a fresh MOT on and ready her for the summer.  

[Kingster]

3 hours ago, MarkDab said:

I'm in the exact same situation! Letter came through today off DVLA asking for documentary evidence. I have no documentation for the new engine so don't know what to do! It's been off the road for 6 months while I've been rebuilding it and it's now time to put a fresh MOT on and ready her for the summer.  

I suggest that when you take it for an MOT ask the garage to verify the engine size and numbers on their headed paper. That should do the job and they probably won't charge for it as you are already there 

[Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman]

One thing to consider re the V5: potential future buyers of second hand kit cars are starting to become much more clued up on what they believe* should or shouldn't be stated on them.

In addition, they're frequently using the ever growing number of Facebook and other online groups as sounding boards, where yet more people will throw an oppionion of what is right and what isn't, into the mix.

Do not underestimate what someone will spot! No matter how unlikely...

All it needs is someone to start going on about numbers not matching photos, and all of a sudden the car becomes a poison chalice, whether really justified or not.

[MarkDab]

Thanks for your advice Chris, I will have a word with a few local garages prior to booking an mot. 

 

Mark