6carjon Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Hi kezman. Yes this is right . I have some from a long time back on my alloy uprights. However if you press rally design they will offer you some alloy blanks you can have machined to fit. I bought some last year for a project that didn't work out. I can send you a photo of my current wilwoods on my alloy hubs if that helps. Alternatives are from hi spec as I have these on the rears too. Cheers jon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisme Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Kez, That's a *&%er - I can only assume that although the Westfield alloy upright is described as a "Cortina" upright it probably just refers to the geometry rather than being a faithful copy - the mounting points are therefore probably different to a standard M16 calliper. I have the old alloy rally design mounting blocks for the Midilite to M16 if that'd help - or I can take the dimension of the locating holes but I suspect you'd need to get some mounts machined using the blanks mentioned above http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/index.php?cPath=562_579 Maybe if a few that have the Disco 2 calliper can get a batch done it would bring the costs down? Colin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Kinder (Bagpuss) - Joint Peak District AO Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Ian Godney (http://www.godspeedbrakes.co.uk/) is pretty handy at making brackets for brakes etc as are http://www.bgdevelopments.co.uk/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kezman Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 All things considered.....if more for a shorter term solution. Might get in contact with one of these brake bonding/relining companies and get a quote for a rear Disco 2 pad made to Mintex 1144 spec, as was previously suggested. Can any one recommend any? That godspeedbrakes looks a good outfit but couldn't see any relining service... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kezman Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Well i made a couple of calls today....one to EBC regarding their performance pads. I know they do Greenstuff 6000 but that is more suited to heavy vehicles. I wanted to enquire if they did the 2000 which one or two on here have said they did. I was put through to tech and immediately recommended yellowstuff which I knew was a further option for the Discovery 2 Calliper. The guy insisted that the Back be changed for Yellowstuff as well to address the imbalance that would occur. 2nd call was to a Brake lining company who took details and a couple of hours later rang back, Long story short, I rang them with the view of getting a quote to make a Disco 2 rear pad to Mintex 1144 spec....but they seem to of found a mintex1144 Front BMW pad that is the same. This of course sounds promising. Next stage for me is to whip a pad out this weekend and trace back plate and measure up I think to be sure. Also to check that it is1144 and not 1155. Any thoughts on Yellowstuff?? Any members aware of pads that fit a number of vehicles from different manufactures ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevec33 Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 Sounds quite promising about the mintex pads, ive not had yellowstuff pads in a westfield but ive had them in various other cars, and ive found them to be absolute turd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kezman Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 One thumbs down for yellowstuff then.....lol Actually I'm sticking up for Yellowstuff at all....but what I would say is that I've read that recently EBC changed the formulation somehow to improve, so I suppose it depends what generation of YS you tried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisme Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Not 100% sure if the Discovery 2 (otherwise generally known as the TD5 version) was ever fitted with the 2 pot calipers at the rear - I think it was only the Defender 90 (disc version) and Discovery 1 (even the Defender 110 had different rears). I had a Discovery 2 and it had the 1 pot slider type. Of course Land Rover where as guilty as anyone for raiding the parts bins - especially at model change overs. This shows both types....... http://www.jgs4x4.co.uk/catalogsearch/result/?q=discovery+1+rear+caliper Pads for Disco 1/Defender 90 .....http://www.jgs4x4.co.uk/land-rover-defender-90-discovery-1-rear-brake-pad-set-mintex-sfp500190.html Zoom in on the pad shows Mintex material type M1109 which Google on and other people have said is quite good if you can't get M1144 but no references to what it'd be like in a lightweight car such as a Westfield. You may have gone through the Mintex M1109 loop already though (but at £11.74 could be worth a punt) or try the EBC Yellowstuff unless your man can match the Discovery 1 pad to a BMW one Nightmare though - would've been handy if Westfield thought about what parts they used and suitability for a lightweight sportscar (not just what they could find at their local motor factors) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 An option was needed for those requiring brand new callipers, who weren't prepared to buy Westfield four pot calliper prices, I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kezman Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Yes. You get the feeling it should be a little easier than this...... I've not spent any money at the mo so I'm philosophical about it all and just learning about my car and what components it has.. But currently I'm confused... I suppose I've got caught up a bit to much with the link that pointed to the Guest Jim1234 and his research, who stated that the Calliper were Disco 2 rears but if there is a question that they are disco 1st Gen then that changes things slightly. Because everyone I've spoke to on the phone I've told them they are Series 2. And looking at various brake catalogues puts the Series 1 as having a completely different pad to Series 2. (1. 88.6x72x15.5 2. 95x52x16) I can't recall 2 pistons on my calliper though. Again Jim1234 stated that one. Another link that suggested it was a 2 pot... http://forum.wscc.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic/95731-which-calipers-are-these-ap-2-pot-front/ My Westy is garaged at my folks Farm at the moment but come Sat I'll get to it and as I've said whip a pad off, then all will become clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kezman Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 So ......pads out today and as Colin had pretty much summarised, pad and obviously Calliper are from a Series 1 Discovery. Dropped Stevec33 a pm in the week and he confirmed that Westfield had told him they were Series 2. So along with that, not being with my car until today and the other links stating Series 2, .... it had thrown me off the track a little. Yellow stuff still an option, as is brake relining, Above suggested Mintex 1109.....and I'll find out Monday whether a Disco 1 pad can be matched to a Mintex 1144 bmw one or similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisme Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Discover 2 Rear caliper (photo from John Craddocks) http://www.johncraddockltd.co.uk/land-rover-parts/stc1906-caliper-housing-rh-rear-discovery-2-range-rover-1995-02-genuine-calipers-require-exchange-unit-add-50-refundable-on-return-of-old-unit.html Discovery 1 Rear caliper (photo from John Craddocks) http://www.johncraddockltd.co.uk/range-rover/rtc5890-brake-caliper-rear-lh-rrc-86-93-and-discovery-1-to-feb-1993.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kezman Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Followed your jgs4x4 picture links for reference Colin. The 88x72 pad remains the important bit, but I did give jgs a ring and it seems even though the Series 1 ran from 89 to 98.....up to about 94 the Calliper was imperial. From 94 it went metric or something which is why jgs list the Callipers (94-98) I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Chairman Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Once a final conclusion on the pad choice between entirely new/re-lined backing plates etc, this thread will make a great FAQ for an annoyingly grey area. Keep it up lads, great work so far! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tisme Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 up to about 94 the Calliper was imperial. From 94 it went metric or something which is why jgs list the Callipers (94-98) I believe. Yup, that sounds like Land Rover !! our 92 Defender is a mixture of metric, imperial and pre-historic It may be just the mounting bolts that changed from imperial to metric though (7/16 UNF to M12 apparently) and yes, 93/94 appears to be the changeover (200 to 300tdi engine) although I can't find any definitive part numbers but found this on one of the LR forums: The 7/16 bolt has a normal bolt head (6 point). The 12mm bolt has a 13mm 12 hex spanner size (known as bi-hex). The M12 bolt has a very fine thread 1.25mm pitch IIRC Now you shouldn't be able to fit the 7/16 bolt into the 12mm bolt hole because the bolt head won't clear inside the calliper. AFAIK the callipers changed at the 200Tdi to the 300Tdi HOWEVER who's to say what Land Rover used because I know of 200Tdi Defenders that have the later axle fitted at the factory. There's no guarantee of course that if Westfield have used normal 6 point hex metric bolts on the metric calipers, then you may think they're imperial based on the above !! Still not sure if pads are different though between the imperial and metric caliper - your best bet is to trace round them or ask the likes of JGS if the pads are actually a different size between the two types (I suspect not but nothing about Land Rovers surprises me). Bi-hex M12 bolts look like this http://www.jgs4x4.co.uk/land-rover-defender-discovery-1-range-rover-brake-caliper-bolt-x-2-ftc3375.html I know it probably doesn't help, but this is one of the reasons I've changed a lot the parts on my Westie so that I know what things are and where to get replacements (plus I love shiny new upgrades as well ). I will confess that for quite a while I was convinced the brake fittings were 3/8 UNF and not M10 metric (fine if you use the same size at any one point - just don't mix them up - how do I know? ..... ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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