dombanks Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 there is only one thing to say to that.... :A***: :A***: (the polite version that wont get me banned ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SootySport Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 We had the highest priced Petrol & Diesel in the EU. So it's nice to see if drop a bit, even though we are probably still the highest priced But not the highest VED in Europe, even Germany is expensive for High emissions, it is more expensive to run a car there if you take into account all the other motoring costs. Mind you if I had a Westfield V8 I might change my views Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I love the comments here, keep it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SootySport Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 I love the comments here, keep it up I thought I was going to be slaughtered for my idea but some of you are in agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff oakley Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 The last time I was in hospital I had to have some Xrays , because of cuts they did not have enough NHS radiologist available to cope with demand . The Dr who did mine was hired in privately, he was Swedish and told me he commuted from home every time he was needed at god knows how much cost to the NHS . Yet some management " team " would have got a pat on the back for cutting down on staff and saving on the NHS wages bill . The Swede would probbly have cosyt more than the cuts were worth but been paid under misc. expenses or some other invented department so looks good on paper . My wife is an Ex schoolteacher , they had the same scenario when staff went sick , no cover due to cuts so outside help had to be hired in . There will be a lot of reasons why there was no employed staff available, however cuts were probably not the reasons as the NHS has never kept spare staff just in case. Even though the guy lived in Sweden, it is cheaper to employ him on an ad hoc basis rather than employ a full time person with not enough work to cover his expense. Remember there is a huge on cost for NHS staff with pension and holidays etc. All clinical costs are shown as that not fudged. As for the example you mentioned with your wife. As a kid teachers were off ill and other teachers covered the class, if it was an odd day. I recall two classes being put together with around 45 kids, but with a teacher who could control them. If the absence was longer they would call in a locum teacher. We need to be realistic, things have changed. When our daughter was born 27 years ago, my wife was in hospital for 5 days, a small maternity only place. Next door neighbours daughter had her baby yesterday at lunch time and was home by 7,00pm, so you no longer need so many maternity beds or staff. To me that is a good thing. To my mind I have no problem paying tax and from my statement the government sent me 31% of everything I earned in the last tax year went on tax an NI, yes it could be lower, but I will pay that so long as I can see it is not wasted and goes to help those who need it, not those who chose to cheat the system, knock out kids and demand everything whilst putting nothing back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyonspride Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Tax revenue from fuel is fairly insignificant these days considering the majority of us are using very efficient vehicles for everyday transport and hence using much less fuel. I'm not sure that's entirely true, a mid-80's Austin Metro would easily return 45mpg in it's day. These days you'd be lucky to get 40mpg from most 1.0-1.3 petrol engined cars. Engines have gotten more efficient, but cars have gotten MUCH bigger/heavier, even the "small" ones. The current Vauxhall Corsa is for example taller and wider, slightly shorter, but 300kg heavier than a mid-80s Volvo 240 estate, a car which in it's day was considered to be built like a tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2rrr Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Wherever we would decide to spend the windfall gains of this price fall someone somewhere would object as there idea, subject, charity, department would be more deserving. The theoretical idea of some politicians is to keep the majority of the necessary people happy-ish. Those people being the voters who would vote the same politicians back in, the wheel goes around. Whether we decide or not to subsidise the NHS or whatever is emotive. Have you tried getting a doctors appointment recently. Remember just a couple of years ago everyone was rightly stating that state pensions where not keeping up and winter fuel allowances etc where brought in to help out. Also the furore about bus passes. Oh what a short memory we have, now in times of austerity we have people slagging off the wealthy pensioners and agreed the more wealthier don't need certain allowances but there are a vast majority who do need the cash. Also the baby boomers who are asset rich with houses etc are now getting a slating because the majority have been prudent for 30 years and not walked into a fully prepared house at there first house, they haven't been greedy with lavish and hedonistic life styles. They have carefully had to manage here spending initially by regulation on hp and loans etc not being encouraged to max out credit cards and surf them. So whilst a few vote for one group others wouldn't agree and in the future that would change anyway with circumstance. I agree with the tongue in cheek comments about bankers and financial institutions, but what about yesterdays EON announcement about a paultry 3.4% drop in gas prices. The "Nationalised" industries where started to give work to returning armed forces but became totally overloaded with deadwood, unfortunately that was the reason for the conception. We as a country may be starting off on the recovery whilst the major part of it is in the hands still of the financial institutions who can award themselves massive pay awards and share deals etc etc. What about the minimum wage, what about re-investment in the infrastructure, what about the roads and pot holes, how's about the dole queues - reduced by stats, what about the closeure of the workplaces for disabled folk, what about care for the elderly, what about free University courses for England as per Scotland and Wales, what about increasing interest rates for savers who have sponsored the institutions and the country for years and just get slated for being greedy. Whatever the returns from falling fuel or energy etc you can rest assured it will never all be passed back to the users or needy as someone else will be making a percentage cut whilst sat in a fancy office and driving an expensive company car. A few other opportunities, investment in this country to ensure that it becomes energy efficient, to ensure that we never suffer from the same mismanagement that the bankers carried out, to look after our yoof to ensure that they are properly educated and employed in areas which are beneficial to them and the country. To allow pensioners the dignity of life in there latter years. They should take away from the institutions either financial or industrial the ability to hold our country to ransom. We still have hundreds of years worth of coal under ground, we have shale gas waiting to go, we are an island surrounded by the seas - harness wave energy, we still have such waste which needs to be better addressed. Thousands of tons of misshaped food being skipped every week what's that all about. We have food flown in from thousands of miles away and only this week we have the same old debate between supermarkets and farmers about the 25p/pint reduction. Something needs to be done and the options are massively variable, the politicians can't fix it all at once and we sadly seem to be going a bit better than in previous rounds of government. Its just that the political aims of the parties is always to be suspected as one side favouring big business whilst the other favouring spending all the money and more. Or variations on both depending on which party who is in power and where they are in the electoral cycle. It wont be fixed quickly and we will never recover any gains as there is always someone who will cream off there percentage whilst sat in a nice office with a fancy company car awaiting you use. Lets get back to decency and basics. Rant over and my internet crashed just as I was posting so it could read as b*ll*cks but not going to do all of it again. I've got a hedge to cut. Bob :d 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SootySport Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 What's I've always been annoyed about is the fact that the Devils Drink called Coke Cola sometimes costs more than petrol. Folk don't rant and rave about the cost of coke, do they. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dombanks Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 ...... dont get me started on the price of coke in pubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monitorlizard Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Coke is cheap compared to branded printer ink.Unfortunately my printer will not work with coke in the cartridges! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SootySport Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 ...... dont get me started on the price of coke in pubs Don't drink it then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windy Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 The current Vauxhall Corsa is for example taller and wider, slightly shorter, but 300kg heavier than a mid-80s Volvo 240 estate, a car which in it's day was considered to be built like a tank. Depends what you pick from what's on offer. My Corsa 1.3 diesel has averaged nearly 60 mpg in 40,000 miles, whereas the Corsa before which was a petrol 1.4 was struggling to achieve 36 mpg. There's more of a choice of cheap transport today than there was and incentives like cheap VED seem to be encouraging most people into economical cars for the daily commute. We all have our toys for the weekend still of course, it's just that they don't get used during the week as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 The current Vauxhall Corsa is for example taller and wider, slightly shorter, but 300kg heavier than a mid-80s Volvo 240 estate, a car which in it's day was considered to be built like a tank. Gordon Bennett. I suppose its the weight of all the toys, and the copper in the wiring loom that goes with them. The Euro sank today, so fuel in Europe is even cheaper. Can't they pay the extra tax for us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s2rrr Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Spend £100 at Tesco and get a further 4p a litre off. Even better. Bob :d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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