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never before was the quote .. a cynic was 'a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing .. more appropriate.

Roger, you know what you want and that's fine. You're entitled to change your mind (although the club's offerings haven't changed or decreased since you joined four years ago). As I said, what the club offers as a package isn't for everyone (what is?), and the WSCC is now on reflection clearly not your pint of beer - fair enough, each to their own. I could post up a rebuttal to your post and correct things mentioned I know to be wrong, but you've obviously already made up your mind, so there's clearly no point in doing so. All I will say is that I find some of your points to be rather flawed and misguided. As Gary rightly said - this is a club with a forum, not a forum with a club. It was a club long before Internet forums even existed. The clue is in the name when you join - Westfield Sports Car CLUB. If one feels the benefits of a product are wrong for them after they have bought it (and re-purchased it repeatedly), the fault is not with the product but with the buyer who fails to understand what is clearly being offered at the time of purchase and ensure it matches their needs or desires. (You might like to remember that while you have indeed given valuable advice, you've also received quite a bit.) Getting back to the original point, you want a forum only membership level. You've stated you use many free forums, so because of that I have serious doubts you'd be willing to pay anything for a forum only membership even if it existed. For the many reasons already outlined in this thread and many more as well, it's not going to happen, nor is the subject going to be revisited. It would be the ruination of this excellent club, and it won't happen on my watch. I have member experience from other areas in my life and have watched it happen more than once - it's not pretty and often sad. There will be no divisive, unmanageable, two-tier membership system in the WSCC. Roger, thanks for your patronage of the club during your time as a member, which I know will shortly be coming to an end. I wish you well in the future and hope you enjoy your Westfield for many years to come. I appreciate all the opinions and support expressed by the others in this thread - thank you. (As the subject has run its course, and to avoid it inevitably deteriorating into an unproductive and unhelpful argument, I'm locking the thread.)

I have to say that I think the club has it about right now - I joined when I first got my Westy but left a few years later due to some of the reasons outlined by our Chairman. I think in the time I initially joined I posted about 3 times and 2 of them ended up being knocked to bits so I left. But it's so different now and I feel happy to join in discussions and post new things as I hope they may be helpful to someone, somewhere. sometime - I have certainly learnt many things about Westfield (and C20XE) ownership via the club. I must admit to being something of a "quiet" person so don't tend to join in on the social side but then that's the nice thing - you can dip in and out of things or just pay your subscription and little else (though that "Tall Dutch Bloke" has twisted my arm to go along to the next meet and I'm looking forward to meeting everyone at Silverstone ). I've even told myself that I'll write an article or two for the mag - even if it turns out to be either self indulgent or technical (or possibly both ). I find the club magazine (and calendar) useful and informative, sometimes for the "expeditions" people have been on, but also as a reminder that this club is, very much a "club" - of like minded people and it's good to read and see what people have been doing either just pootling about or in competitions. So is the annual fee worth it? Well, I'm "retired" and we're currently living off my savings (and looking forward to next year when the government can start paying me a pension) - so every penny matters at the moment, but yes, the cost of membership is nothing compared to the facts of life - for heavens sake it's just cost me £50 to take my cat to the vet for some eye drops !! I really do hope that the Westfield car, and the WSCC make it for another 30 years.

Simple. No one is forcing anyone to pay. If anyone doesn't like it...don't pay...Theres plenty of free 'Advice' on the Internet go and use it It's about value not price.. this is good value even for just the forum. If you don't see the value don't buy it. I would happily pay more..... we all spend more on a night out or a meal and no one complains

Booked! Will be up on Thursday night

comp secs now emailed! thanks guys

early start is no bother to me, up get ,fed leave . a nice shandy at the Applecross Inn around 1

Iza booked and paid.

I am surprised this hasn't bookd up quicker, Always a good day. I have a busy schedule over the next few weeks with track days but if there are any places left I may book a late slot if my car survives Anglesey on the 1st July.

Many thanks for the kind words about the ad everyone. My view is simply that anyone interested in cars of this nature really should be provided with as much meaningful information and detail as possible because everything contributes to the package and ownership experience. I remember when I was looking for my first Westfield 5 or 6 years ago I became a member on here a good few months in advance to read up and ask questions and that stood me in very good stead when looking for and finally buying the car you see above and developing it since. Hopefully a sale is imminent to a friend of a member on here and if it happens he sounds like a thoroughly decent fella. I've also told him how great this club is as well. Will report back if it happens. For info and for my sins I've now moved to the 'dark side' but plan to stick around if you'll have me! This is still the best club by far for lots of reasons and my membership fee has been repaid many, many times over! I'm sure I can count on advice if I ever need it as well. Thanks again.

Thanks Craig, yep it was a perfect day tbh. I was in the burgundy Westie, Mark let me mount the GoPro on his full cage. Agree, need to look at lower and better mounts. Remote mic too would be good I'm no expert with the GoPro but good to have as a memory! Andy

Here we go, his name is Michael, he posts as 1WestfieldSeven, there's a thread by him on Pre Lits here - http://forum.wscc.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic/118753-alloy-pre-lit-chassis-numbers/?hl=pre+lit#entry1249447 And another - http://forum.wscc.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic/116152-alloy-pre-litigation-westfield-sevens/?hl=pre+lit#entry1222440

Booked in. Javelin have withdrawn the discount code as 'it got into the public domain'. Lame excuse. If they wanted to provide club members a discount they could govern it. Hey ho £129 can't grumble at that price

If we didn't have any of the above then the result would be a dictatorship wherby the club is run in a manner that a few sellect people want and not in the best interests of the majority of the club members.This framework exists so club members can put forward ideas for discussion by the commitee and ulimately have them voted on by the wider membership. This is called being Fair. If you dont want to abide by the same rules as everyone else then thats fine, but don't expect them to change just for you. If you want change then use your democratic vote or stand for election. As has already been said, this is a club and the fee pays for membership of that. I pay more than that for membership of other clubs that dont even have a forum. If yoy feel you can get you westfield advice for free on one of the other forums you have listed then i wish you good luck. And for what its worth I'm 39.

I can recommend the DanST set up, mine uses gsxr1000 throttle bodies and is brilliant. The manifold is matched beautifully to the bodies and the head. Puts out 185bhp, so can't see the point spending twice as much on omex or jenveys to be honest.

Many thanks Chris / Deanspoors.. They do look very good, glad they get the thumbs up too.. Looks like the works bell is out of stock on likes website anyway.. Thanks again, Greggs..

Can't make all morning but if good weather we will meet you at the castle we aiming for 12noon......... If that's ok

I’m not a great “club” person but I value my WSCC membership and think £27.50 is jolly good value. I have saved that amount many times over what with the various discounts I get and the invaluable advice I have received on a wide variety of subjects. Many of my friends refer to my car as a “toy” car in that it has no really practical application and am grateful that I am in a position to afford it and have fun in it. The price of membership, in the overall scheme of things, is a small price to pay to enhance my enjoyment of the car. Long may it continue!

I've been biting my tongue about posting on this topic, but now I feel i need my say to get my thoughts written down. When i found the club I did so because I was looking for a car, i thought the first membership fee was excessive, I joined with reservations thinking it was a lot of money for a "free" mag and the forum. 1st renewal and after going to Stoneleigh with all the extras the previous year I had no problem renewing (well apart from actually paying) and thought it wasn't too bad a price to pay. This year, with a new car, all the questions and responces I've had (and still am getting) regarding it, plus Stoneleigh this year, well actually I consider it a privilege to contribute to such a club with such great members. I didn't know about the club or forum back in the free days, but i suspect it is similar to the viper pit "Piston Heads" where the IQ and age are often the same. I put it into perspective that when the yearly fee actually equates to 90 miles worth of fuel, well in the grande scheme of things it is peanuts and value for money.

Hi Did you see the Works Bell one that Steve put on Buttercup. Looks very similar and I got mine from Plays Kool. Steve said he had not seen one as good.

I sold my webbers for the same price it cost for bike carbs and the rolling road set up and manifold etc. Have a word with Bogg Brothers in East Lutton. They are wizards with webber and bike carbs. Ask for Steve.

I had the wrong webers on my Zetec and Troy at NMS drilled extra progressive holes and it ran pretty good. Without the holes it will cough on light pick up and sometimes every time you touch the throttle.

Referring to the OP, I had exactly the same experience. Bought my xflow engined Westy with 40s and always had rough idle. Finally, a visit to a Weber specialist identified the carbs as Alfa Romeo 40s, which have much larger progression holes than the 151s that suit the engine. Two rolling road sessions and a brand new pair of carbs certainly hurt the bank account. It can be a minefield!

If you don't want your magazines that's fine its your choice to throw them away - if you only want to use the forum that's fine to and thank you for your £27.50 membership which has been paid and I'm sure the club will use that wisely to offset the cost against a new £1000 server to be purchased to enable the forum to be efficient

Fingers crossed should be with you Saturday Watch this space..but I have said that before..lol! Only got to fit & bleed the front calipers now !

We will be along with Becky and Andy too!

Go on then. Count me in.

IMO WSCC - Amazing Bargain I've had membership of many clubs ever the years. This cheapest and by far best value. Although ultimately it's cost me a fortune.... in upgrades, track, sprinting, trailer hire etc etc etc