Bradley nelson Posted January 7, 2002 Share Posted January 7, 2002 Hi I am wondering if someone could give me some information. I have just purchased a pre-litigation(so i'm told) Westfield that is about 50% complete, the car has never been completed and never been registered. Will I have any problems registering this car and will it go on a "Q" or a new number Any information would be gratefully appreciated. Thanks Guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowle1p Posted January 7, 2002 Share Posted January 7, 2002 Bradley Hope this helps, I myself am fairly new but think I can answer. The car will go on a Q if you have not had three or so parts included in the car from the original donor car. If the engine, transmission, etc are from the same donor then you could apply for an age related plate. No poblems registering though as far as I know, all you have to do now s pass the SVA ! if you are taking it on the raod and not just track days. Hope this helps Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley nelson Posted January 7, 2002 Author Share Posted January 7, 2002 Thanks Phil, but I was under the impression the "Q" plate system had been abolished and it would go on a brand new reg plate and was wondering how this was possible as being a pre-lit car it is approx 14yrs old Thanks, Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 The Q plate sytem still exists. The last info I had was that there are no plans to abolish it. Yet......... Although the chassis is not "new", if it hasn't been registered, then, for all intents and purposes it will be new at first registration. I have no experience of SVA, but I have read plenty on the various boards on the net. This means some or all of the following may not be 100% correct. However........ I think the SVA require all parts to be new, and allow one part to be counted as new if it has "been reconditioned to as new specification". They will want receipts or letters of authentication. In practice, the diff and gearbox will probably be second hand, but this must be ignored (or there is another way of interpreting the rules) as plenty of cars get new current reg plates despite this obvious use of second hand parts. Also, you will need to know the age of your engine for the emissions test. If it's a Ford, then Ford Technical will be able to tell you when it was made, and provide you with a letter to show Mr SVA man as proof. Don't forget that an engine produced post 1995 will need a cat, and will need to pass cat emission tests at MOT time. If you get a Q plate, then emissions testing will mean that as long as the exhaust is not smoking at MOT time, it passes. There are no gas analysers involved at all.......... Then there are all the radius and protrusion regs to worry about.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjwood Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 I think your only worry regarding SVA is that the chassis is compliant. You might need to do some work covering any sharp protrusions, relocating seat belt anchorages and perhaps the odd light, etc. since the Pre-lit chassis will not have been designed with the SVA regs in mind. The only part the origin of which you have to worry about at SVA is the engine because this determines the emissions test at SVA. Try and use a pre-1995 engine and you won't need a catalytic converter. You may be asked to prove the age of the engine so write to the manufacturer of the engine and ask them for written confirmation of the date of manufacture. When it comes to registration (after SVA), the plate you get will be determined by where the parts came from, and you will need to prove this. If, for example, you have the log book from a donor car and can show that a suitable number of major parts came from this car then you can have an age related plate of the age of the donor. Realistically, if you have the log book of the car the engine came from you can go this route since it's only the engine that is traceable via the engine number on the log book. If you can prove you bought all major parts new with the exception of one part (ie engine, gearbox, etc), but can prove that that part was reconditioned to an "as new" condition, you can have a new age related plate. Parts will probably be considered new if they haven't been fitted to a previously registered vehicle so don't worry about the age of the chassis. Otherwise, you're looking at a "Q" plate but you will still need to declare where the parts came from so any reciepts, etc may be useful. The details about exactly what you need to present are on the DETR web site somewhere. Have a look. It's very useful. It would also be worth getting hold of an SVA manual so you can check everything on the car for compliance beforehand. Might also be worth talking to Westfield. They may be able to give you a list of items which will require attention. Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 Parts will probably be considered new if they haven't been fitted to a previously registered vehicle As said in my reply: They will want receipts or letters of authentication. In practice, the diff and gearbox will probably be second hand, but this must be ignored (or there is another way of interpreting the rules) as plenty of cars get new current reg plates despite this obvious use of second hand parts. I have never seen NEW type 9 or RWD MT75 gearboxes for sale, and if they are I'm sure they'd be really expensive, so just how do the SVA people justify giving any 7 type kit a new registration when the vast majority of them are presented with reconned diffs and 'boxes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 so just how do the SVA people justify giving any 7 type kit a new registration when the vast majority of them are presented with reconned diffs and 'boxes? Because some people used all new parts IMO it may be hit and miss getting a new plate. But the rules state you can only have one major reconditioned part. I've read stories of people buying old bangers, putting their required kit car engine (usually bike engine) in the banger, therefore notifying Swansea of a change in engine no and cc. Then using the whole car plus engine as a donor and getting an age related plate. No one at Swansea would notice that you can't really run a Sierra with a 900cc Blade engine! This may of course be an 'urban myth' and I do not recommend or condone it as a course of action for anyone Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 Still doesn't answer where you get new type 9's/RWD MT75's/Sierra diffs from though. Also, a pre-lit chassis is going to be using an Escort diff in a Westfield carrier (if it's an SEi), or a re-conned and modified Escort axle. When was the last "English" diff/axle produced new by Ford? I bet it was quite a while ago. Also with the mods required to make it fit a Westfield, can it be considered as "reconditioned to as new condition"? I wouldn't have thought so, but thats why we love the incosistencies/ignorance of the SVA testers.......... I don't doubt the inconsistencies of the DOT/DVLA/SVA inspectors, but that is why there are so many different ways of approaching the issue of SVA compliance. It is strictly my own opinion that any 7 type with an age related plate hasn't been that closely inspected, or the SVA fella doesn't actually realise what he is looking at. Good job too................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 It is strictly my own opinion that any 7 type with an age related plate hasn't been that closely inspected, or the SVA fella doesn't actually realise what he is looking at. Good job too................ Sva inspection has nothing to do with age registation, it's purely just a compliance test to SVA. i.e. general safety and construction to manual. It's the nice man at the DVLA that decides on age via recipts and inspection of major parts if needed. Apparently a wodge of recipts for brgs, gaskets, seals, etc will suffice for reconditioned to new in most instances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted January 8, 2002 Share Posted January 8, 2002 It's the nice man at the DVLA that decides on age via recipts and inspection of major parts if needed. I thought the SVA man also took on the responsibility of checking the "one reconditoned to as new part" bit as well. I thought wrong (not the first time). Even so, plenty of cars are getting current reg numbers with obviously second hand parts, which, equally obviously, aren't getting inspected by the DVLA. Perhaps the key is to have so many receipts in the "file" that they'll never bother to check....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted January 9, 2002 Share Posted January 9, 2002 Hey Blatman, don't you ever go to bed??? Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatman Posted January 9, 2002 Share Posted January 9, 2002 No......I sleep at work, but with the computer on, natch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chazpowerslide Posted January 17, 2002 Share Posted January 17, 2002 Hi Bradley I'd be interested to chat with you about pre-lit stuff as when mine is complete I'll need to go through SVA too.Is your car GRP or ali bodied? Do You have a build manual? What wheels and tyers do you plan to use i i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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