Belgian Westi Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 Hey guys I'm driving my standard 2000 Westfield 1800 zetec for 1000miles now or so. And it's great. But I don't find it that quick. Accellerating from 80 to 100 miles/h it is as quick as a Renault espace . And 100 miles/h is also the topspeed. If I accellerate from 0 to 60 I don't get the "pushed in your seat feeling". Is this normal or is their something "wrong" or a wrong setup of the engine? It runs good but sometimes at idle the revs fall to 600 a 700 rpm but then she recovers and runs normal. But that is only sporadicly. Quote
Blatman Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 Are you on the standard Fod inlet system, or do you have throttle bodies or Weber carbs? On the standard inlet system, assuming the engine is totally standard, you only have about 105bhp. Aerodynamics (especially if you have a full windscreen) and weight will seriously dent the performance. If you have Webers or throttle bodies, something may be wrong... Quote
Belgian Westi Posted August 1, 2006 Author Posted August 1, 2006 engine is totally standard. I thought it has something of 120bhp Quote
Blatman Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 IIRC, a totally standard 1.8 Zetec has 105bhp. This can be increased by adding the cams from a 2.0l engine. There are two types of cam, one set will give 115bhp, one will give 130bhp, assuming the standard Ford ECU is clever enough to make use of them properly. Even with 130bhp, the limiting factor is the plenum inlet system which is seriously restrictive, as is the standard exhaust which I suspect you have also (big tube looping around the engine bay, yes? ). If you have 130 cams, then dumping the plenum and adding a pair of 45 Webers or throttle bodies and a "proper" exhaust system should boost the power to about 150bhp with the 130 cams. Be warned though, a set of carbs and an exhaust will be the thick end of 1500 Euros, add *at least* another 1000 Euro's to that for a complete throttle body conversion Quote
Blatman Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 Oh yeah.. QUOTE It runs good but sometimes at idle the revs fall to 600 a 700 rpm but then she recovers and runs normal. But that is only sporadicly. 99 times out of a hundred this is caused by a dodgy IACV valve. They're a pain in the A***. I've yet to hear of one being successfully repaired once it starts acting up... Quote
Belgian Westi Posted August 1, 2006 Author Posted August 1, 2006 Never heard of an IACV valve ( maybe I know it in flemish but certainly not in english) could someone explain this? I need the standard exhaust system because of emission standards in Belgium. But I'm really interested in in tuning the engine till 150 à160bhp. Some suggestions to begin with cams or throttle bodies. Where can I purchase a good kit for a zetec? Does anybody have the specification or part nummer of the 2l zetec 130bhp cams? Quote
Peter M Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 99 times out of a hundred this is caused by a dodgy IACV valve. They're a pain in the A***. I've yet to hear of one being successfully repaired once it starts acting up... If using the standard ford pleneum with westfield loom and mbe ecu then the IACV is not used. Quote
jak Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 If it does n't out accelerate a Espace and you don't get the "oh my God feeling" when you do the traffic light grand prix there is something very wrong with the car. I was running a std zetec in my westie (std injection, MBE ECU, 115 bhp cams) and it always felt quick to me. Mind you it's a damn sight better since I fitted the Jenveys. Quote
Belgian Westi Posted August 1, 2006 Author Posted August 1, 2006 It is fast but you don't get the "pushed in your seat feeling" Quote
markcoopers Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 I don't have a Ford part number for the cams, but the Mondeo 2l zetec engine ran at 130bhp. The cams are a straight swap, but you will need the locking bar and wheel holding tool for the job. also recomend that you change the cam belt and tensioners at the same time, unless you know the age of these and are happy they are good? Og use pleanty of graphite paste and follow the untightening/tightening instructions ( haynes manual). For Zetec kit, you could call the factory, or Northampton Motorsport for a tested and professional set up, or try one of the numerous aftermarket kits arround (Retro ford in corby comes to mind with a good priced kit). Good luck, Mark Quote
adhawkins Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 For Zetec kit, you could call the factory, or Northampton Motorsport for a tested and professional set up, or try one of the numerous aftermarket kits arround (Retro ford in corby comes to mind with a good priced kit). Given that the guy's name is 'Belgian Westi' I image they're all a bit far from him Andy Quote
markcoopers Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 I'm sure the postman will deliver. FedEx do for me. Tell you what, most months I drive through Belgium, I'll take the kit over for you, might even mean I stop in Belgium for once? Quote
Blatman Posted August 2, 2006 Posted August 2, 2006 QUOTE But I'm really interested in in tuning the engine till 150 à160bhp. Some suggestions to begin with cams or throttle bodies. You'll need a set of Jenvey DCOE style throttle bodies, an ECU from either Emerald, DTA, MBE or whoever makes ECU's in Belgium (and for Gods sake DO NOT buy a Weber Alpha system...), some loom making skills, maybe some fabrication skills, a good rolling road nearby, and about 3000 euro's if you can do most of the work yourself. If you are looking for a drive in/drive out solution, add at least another 1000 Euro's to the bill. With a set of 130 cams and a proper exhaust (proper exhaust = 1000 Euro's), you should have 150/160bhp. It isn't cheap, and if you are no good with a set of spanners, it's not easy either. DO NOT underestimate just how much it might cost, and do not underestimate the degree of difficulty if you are fairly new to all this... Quote
nikpro Posted August 2, 2006 Posted August 2, 2006 But I'm really interested in in tuning the engine till 150 à160bhp. Some suggestions to begin with cams or throttle bodies. You'll need a set of Jenvey DCOE style throttle bodies, an ECU from either Emerald, DTA, MBE or whoever makes ECU's in Belgium (and for Gods sake DO NOT buy a Weber Alpha system...), some loom making skills, maybe some fabrication skills, a good rolling road nearby, and about 3000 euro's if you can do most of the work yourself. If you are looking for a drive in/drive out solution, add at least another 1000 Euro's to the bill. With a set of 130 cams and a proper exhaust (proper exhaust = 1000 Euro's), you should have 150/160bhp. It isn't cheap, and if you are no good with a set of spanners, it's not easy either. DO NOT underestimate just how much it might cost, and do not underestimate the degree of difficulty if you are fairly new to all this... How mis-guided you are blatters; here is a much cheaper way - (1) Buy MaxPower Magazine (2) Read and digest above to get in right 'frame of mind' (3) Note quoted HP gains of after market products! (4) Buy airfilter (Upto 15bhp gains!) (5) Buy a rear exhaust Box (Upto 20bhp gains!) (6) Buy a no name reprofiled cam (Upto 25bhp gains!) Add all the above gains together and you've gained 60bhp - have an article in same magazine and you can estimate your engine now produces 180bhp for around £400!! Simple Quote
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