taffy Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Hi Guys, Can anybody out there in technoland give me a precis of "The 5i,s"? Im used to ISO 2001/9000 etc. I believe the 5i,s is more a concept of using 5 steps to improve communication and problem solving within busineses. As opposed to a quality system. Any experts out there? Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidR Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Rob, If you ask an open question of a consultant you get the answer "it all depends on what you mean". But seriously . . . . . The are a multiplicity a schemes, methods, etc that use alliteration to give a memorable hook into what they say and each industry, sector has its own favourites. The one thing that confuses experts is when they meet someone who knows and wants to apply a method from outside their industry The five I's ...... there are so many "methods" that use this label and even some with 2 I's or 3 I's. The main thing you should do is approach / research the industry practice leaders, professional institutes (e.g. BCS, RIBA etc) and follow the method that they advocate. I am not aware of a "generic" 5 I's method but all of them use words like Individual, innovate, impact, integrate, information, Interest, to label their stages / steps. Sorry if this is a waffley answer but the context of your question will guide you to an answer. Find the method that your industry uses. If you are an "Innovator" and trying to bring a new method to your industry then prepare for the hard work and determination required to break new ground. People love to follow a worn path. Like I said "if you ask a consultant" David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffy Posted September 9, 2004 Author Share Posted September 9, 2004 Hi David, Thanks, I know exacty what you mean. . Been there and done that. You could say that I will have to reply in responce to an interview question! I can use some of your stuff, so thanks. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Taffy Being a sad "quality anorak" the 5 S' are part of Lean Manufacturing techniques and as ususal started in Japan. The basics borrowed from another website are:- Traditionally 5S (or any of its derivatives) is thought of as being just about tidying up or good housekeeping and on a simple level it is, but approached properly it can be much more than that. The S’s of 5S are originally Japanese words. Sort, Straighten, Shine, Systemise and Sustain have been commonly adopted to try and use 5 meaningful English words beginning with S. Sort The first step of 5S involves getting rid of rubbish and clutter as you might expect, it also includes cleaning, getting rid of dust and oil etc. In a machine shop it would include dumping broken equipment or tools and materials that have not been used in a significant length of time and are not likely to be used in the near future. Applying 5S to an office environment would include removing files and papers that have no use in the near future (often things you sort through on a daily basis wasting time doing so in the process). By getting rid of these unused items you can free up space, reduce the number of obstacles you have to walk around and find other more important items needed on a daily basis much more quickly. “ Tagging” items is a common approach when deciding what is to be thrown away. An area is targeted, items likely to be disposed of are tagged with a red tag and a date, if the item is not used after a certain period of time (often somewhere between 1 to 6 months) it is then disposed of. Straighten This phase of 5S is all about keeping things in their rightful place. Tools are put where they are needed, often utilising shadow boards thereby making sure they are to hand and labelled as they should be. Ergonomics are taken into account, such that commonly used items are stored within easy reach, reducing the need for bending, stretching and excessive walking. Wheels are put on items that have to be moved, perhaps tool boxes and portable workbenches or storage chests. All these things can be summed up if you compare a kitchen and typical garage. In a garage tools, paint tins, oil and dust sheets are often left around requiring a degree of searching in order to find what you are looking for. Compare that to a kitchen where cutlery is separated out into compartments in drawers, pans are easily to hand. Generally a kitchen is much tidier and easier to work in where most people can find the items they need. Shine Once the rubbish has been disposed of and everything has been given its proper place, this phase of 5S is all about maintaining the newly found order. Here the responsibility for workplace tidiness is moved back to the operators from the cleaners. Daily 5 – 10 minute cleaning routines are established to maintain a clean and tidy working environment. Operators are made responsible for their own working area keeping equipment clean and in good order and making sure tools are where they should be. In a similar way to pre and post flight checks that a pilot might carry out, a cleaning regime is carefully documented and timed to make sure enough time is given to carry out the necessary work and everybody know what is required of them. It is important to make sure everyone has the right level of training for the tasks they have been assigned and that all this is noted in the “flight checks” documentation (which of course have their own place and should be kept to hand). Systemise You could sum up this phase of 5S as “Maintaining routine”. Once the workplace has got through the first three phases it is often difficult to keep it up to the new standards you have set yourself. Do not underestimate how difficult it will be to maintain your new tidy work area, even Toyota have found that it can take months to instil this mind set into their employees. Random, detailed audits of different work area are often used to help maintain standards. These should be suitably strict, both praising good practice and highlighting areas for improvement. Trophies and other staff incentives including making the audit results a part of staff appraisals have been used with different companies according to company culture. Sustain From now on, we are moving into the area of “Kaizen” or ongoing improvement. All the previous steps of 5S have been about creating and maintaining a clean and tidy working environment. This phase of 5S is about moving forward not just maintaining the standards you’ve set yourself but building on those and raising the bar. It means not just cleaning up spills and leaks but tackling the underlying causes of those problems. In order to do this it requires that records be kept of problems, when they occur, how often, how long they lasted etc. Having identified the biggest problems (perhaps using a Pareto analysis) action to tackle the sources of those problems can be targeted accordingly. This phase of 5S involves a long-term culture change to one where systems and standards are accepted and valued as a way of improvement. Operators question what they can see is out of place and look beyond the symptoms of a problem to tackle the underlying cause. Regards Bill (aka sad git who needs to get out in the Westfild more) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bill Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Thanks Scott Look forward to picking up the boghouse blue bits after you at Aintree on 2nd October. How's the leg after Loton? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffy Posted September 9, 2004 Author Share Posted September 9, 2004 Thanks bill Thats really what I was looking for. Mostly common sence, but given a theme! thanks again Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott beeland Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Leg is sorted now ta. Forgot to send my entry for Aintree ...Is there still space? 5s is a posh term for common sense then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Keene Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 No, is a term for a laaaaarge pay packet for consultants... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffy Posted September 10, 2004 Author Share Posted September 10, 2004 5s is a posh term for common sense then? Yup IMHO! Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pistonbroke Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Mostly common sence, but given a theme! Jerry U Boat workshop manual ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chairemangeezer Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Hi all I think bill’s explanation of the 5s’s is full of commonsense and logic I personally have always worked with the 6p’s Proper Preparation Prevents P**s Pore Performance It always worked for me Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Elworthy Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Hi all I think bill’s explanation of the 5s’s is full of commonsense and logic I personally have always worked with the 6p’s Proper Preparation Prevents P**s Pore Performance It always worked for me Pete What? You've got p*** performing from your pores. Poor chap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chairemangeezer Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Well spotted Chris, thats what you get when watching the TV and typing!! didn't notice until I had posted it!! OOPS.....didn't take long for someone to spot it!! Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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