1.3 xflow in the eleven?

[zei220 7]

I'm having a problem finding a good 1275 engine for a reasonable price so i'm looking at alternative engines options. Does anyone know if the ford 1.3   xflow will fit?  What mods are needed?

 

TIA.

dave

[Thrustyjust 2,599]

The Xflow is a heavy lump. What about a Ford Sigma engine. Modern and easier to get hold of and convertable to rwd or do you need a pre 95 or 93  engine?

[zei220 7]

Thanks for the suggestion, do you know how tall that engine is?

[Robin (Red Spider) - Yorkshire AO 580]

Back in the 70's, a company did an engine conversion by fitting a 1600cc crossflow in a MG Midget. It was called an Atlantic. I think they used this engine rather than the MGB's B series as it is a smaller engine and would fit under an unmodified midget bonnet. 

[Thrustyjust 2,599]

I dont believe they are that tall, as they are a very compact engine. Dont know the height, maybe someone at Burtons , who know both engines may give you some dimensions. Otherwise the K series is a good lightweight engine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Sigma_engine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_K-series_engine

[Kit Car Electronics 1,174]

I just put a tape measure against the 1.7 Sigma in my garage - on a standard sump, it's approx 600mm tall (to the top of the oil filler cap), so I guess with a shallow sump you could knock that down a touch.

[Thrustyjust 2,599]

2 minutes ago, Kit Car Electronics said:

I just put a tape measure against the 1.7 Sigma in my garage - on a standard sump, it's approx 600mm tall (to the top of the oil filler cap), so I guess with a shallow sump you could knock that down a touch.

Or a 1600cc without VVC maybe shorter again, Mike, as less stroke.

[zei220 7]

I'm sure I read somewhere that the XI bonnet is 23 inches high, so the 600mm (23.6 inches) is too much.

[stephenh 605]

I can tell you that on my XI the underside of the bonnet just touches the top of the oil filler cap. I have a piece of neoprene foam stuck to the underside of the bonnet to protect it. And the shallow sump which I fitted to my Midget engine projects below the level of the underside of the chassis. So much as it is attractive to try and fit a more modern engine in an XI (and the Rover would particularly appeal to me for some reason) it would involve fitting a power bulge to the bonnet, which would I think detract from the lines of the XI.

[robhume 89]

The 1600cc x flow weighs 110kgs and is approx. 560mm tall, 1300 would be about 20mm less

The 1600cc K series weighs 100kgs and is about 600mm tall

The Toyota 1600 weighs 100kgs and is about 570mm tall

Obviously the midget fits but sump is below chassis rails

Also a Climax engine would fit.

Fitting dry sumps to the Ford engines will allow the engines to drop a bit, maybe 50mm.

There have been various engines fitted to Westfield elevens according to Chris Smith, v8, twin cam, Fiat twin cam, etc,

and apparently there was a bulgy bonnet made to suit, so various engines to choose from but only two will fit to my

knowledge without bonnet mods

[Dommo 373]

Rotary? About 20" tall though may need a different inlet manifold (or carbs?) as they tend to wrap around over the top of the engine.

[MK11 29]

I don't think any modern OHC engines will fit as the heads are too tall, even the BMW bike head on an A Series is too tall to fit without a bulge.

The rotary could be a good shout, the engine and box from an RX8 should be pretty cheap (well initially, but the rebuild could add up!)

Why can't you find a good A series?  There are many people out there who can build one, I would go to MED if I built another, maybe with the Specialist Components alloy cross flow head and modern fuel injection, mmmm.  Don't get me thinking..

[zei220 7]

The problem with trying find a good engine is people want £600 - £800 for one that needs a rebuild. 

[Thrustyjust 2,599]

1 hour ago, zei220 said:

The problem with trying find a good engine is people want £600 - £800 for one that needs a rebuild. 

Lucky you arent paying £4000 for a used Honda engine then. I would love to pay £600 for an engine. 

[Dave Eastwood (Gadgetman) - Club Secretary 4,131]

13 hours ago, Thrustyjust said:

Lucky you arent paying £4000 for a used Honda engine then. I would love to pay £600 for an engine. 

Absolutely!