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Thanks, Si that is kind. Unfortunately West Sussex is a very long way from North Staffordshire!! I know where there is one, three quarters built, which I already have the chance of visiting, but that is a long way north of me. However it would be a bit shorter drive than West Sussex. I feel sure there must be one somewhere hiding in the north midlands however?

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Stephen,

 

I will have a fully built XI in sometime next week if you want to come and try it for size?

Im sure the customer wont mind if I ask him in advance.

 

Kind regards

Simon

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Brilliant, Simon. My only problem is a busy diary next week. I might be able to manage thursday, or friday morning. I'll give you a ring early next week to see how you are fixed.

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Hi Stephen,

 

One competing at Prescott on 27/28 June.

 

243 Austin Weltman Painswick Westfield Eleven - Climax 1216 1972 B C

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I shall be at Aintree on 27th. June, Paul! Anyway, hopefully will be able to see one, and check if I can get in and out of it, at the factory on Friday of this week.

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My advice is that the donor condition depends upon what you want to do.

 

Me, I paid £500 for a non runner that had no interior then refurbished those parts that I wanted for the XI.  The body I sold as it was in reasonable fettle.

 

If you want a good running car that you just strip down and bolt into the Westfield chassis then you will pay more.

 

I rebuilt the engine and gearbox, although the 3rd gear was not as good as I had hoped so I ended up fitting a modified type 9 5 speed box from BGH (an excellent addition to the car by the way!).  I don't know if things are different now, but new helical cut 3rd gears were not available.  A gearbox specialist that I spoke to said that they have to use the best secondhand gear that they can find when they do a rebuild.  The engine I modified and fitted Megajolt ignition to, ended up with 99.9bhp on NMS rollers.  If I was doing one again then I would consider the Specialist Components fuel injection too in place of the Weber for better drivability and fuel consumption.  Fuel injecting an A Series is a pain due to the siamesed ports but SC seem to have this covered.

 

Whatever you choose, enjoy the car.  They are excellent fun on a track despite the lack of power, the handling is spot on.

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Thanks, MKII. I'll probably go down the route of buying just the main components I need from a breaker. As long as I can get a V5, so I'll source and buy the engine first, on condition of getting the V5.

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There is a company called Frontline that does lots of nice goodies for midgets inc type 9 gearbox conversions (and I believe Toyota 5 speed gearbox conversions) plus all sorts suspension upgrades so if the X1 chassis will take a type 9 then I would choose one of those over an MG one

 

http://www.frontlinedevelopments.com/performance-parts/

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hi John. The answer to your question, ie will the type 9 fit or not, is that it will provided you order a type 9 conversion kit when ordering the body/chassis kit. It is quite an expensive optional extra. I will probably stick with a reconditioned midget 4 speed 'box, and spend my money on other goodies!

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I thought that all the newer chassis were Type 9 ready? The only adjustments I needed to make we're move a top rail back and add in a lower mounting plate, not that dramatic.

Other things that I changed were softer springs as the ride was really harsh on the wonderful smooth roads we have in this country. Also, I was planning to change the shocks as they are too short and do not allow enough travel in droop, or they didnt in my car.

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Thanks again, MK11. Your input is very welcome. I'll fin d out what the factory supply for the type 9 option price. Also very interested to read about the springs and shocks. I'd already thought that I might not get them from the factory, but instead get Procomp to advise and supply. I have a very high regard for Matt and Ivan, they transformed the ride and handling of my present Westfield.

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Hi,

     I am nearing the end of my Westfield Eleven build.  I made an eBay purchase of an MG Midget for £720 and, after taking off the parts I needed, I am a couple of hundred quid ahead having moved everything else on, mainly back on eBay.

 

As part of my order from Westfield Sportscars, I bought a Type 9 gearbox and fitting kit.  I went down this route because of the sensible (overdriven) top gear which should give me much more restful (?) cruising.  One thing set me worrying when I looked over the parts with the kit and that was how far back the hole for the Type 9 gearstick was when compared to that of the Midget one and, indeed, the steering wheel.  I had seen one built Eleven with a cranked gearstick (rather like those you would see in an original AC Cobra).  I didn't fancy that at all.  I found Frontline MG's conversions on the internet and saw how they have shortened the rear extensions on the Type 9 and moved the gearlever forward to a much better place.  I live near to their base at Abingdon, in Oxfordshire so called round one day.  Their prices are high and the exchange that they offered me on the newly reconditioned box from Westfield was far too low to make buying from them an option.

 

Back to the internet and I found First Motion Transmissions at Baldock in Hertfordshire.  I spoke with Paul there  (01462 896685 / 07966 497815 or paul@firstmotion.co.uk  Paul was really helpful, and obviously knowledgable so I took my Type 9 gearbox over to him.  The box was ready when promised and I also had first gear raised (as the Eleven is so light compared to a Midget) and a rose lointed quickshift gearstick (as the potential rattle from the rose joint was hardly going to be noticeable in such a basic car).

 

Fitting the box in the Eleven saw a little filing of the gearbox mount being needed to get it as far back in the tunnel as possible.  I did find that a right angle drive was necessary for the speedo cable to be able to turn into the tail housing. 

 

When you fit the box, you will find that the gearbox filler plug ends up nowhere near the removable panel on the nearside of the transmission tunnel - which I assume suits the Midget box.  I measured and drilled for a second hole in the alloy panelling so that I can get a socket on the filler plug and then follow this up with the oil (there is insufficient clearance in the tunnel to do this from underneath).

 

I have only driven the car for just over 100 miles (initial 70 mile shakedown on an airfield and 45 more miles running in on the rolling road prior to tuning the engine, but the gearbox was fine.  80mph is just over 3,500rpm and I was soon used to the short throw of the lever.  It actually suits the small steering wheel and delicate feel of the car.

 

Through not finding out beforehand, I ended up with some double spending, having bought the box from Westfield then taking it to be taken apart and further rebuilt.  Were I to do another one, I would be asking Westfield to supply the fitting kit (their overall price for the 5 speed gearbox kit I found to be reasonable, but I would go to Paul direct for the gearbox.

 

As per an earlier post, I intend to go to Protech in Melksham for some softer, longer travel suspension units though I was pleasantly surprised as how compliant my car was when I did my initial running in on a concrete runway.

 

Simon

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Thanks for the infomation, Simon. All useful to know. It raises a couple of questions in my mind: first, do you know what ratio your crown wheel and pinion is in the diff? The later mk III Midgets (last couple of years of manufacture) had a 3.9 ratio diff, but the earlier cars had a lower (numerically higher) ratio, I think 4.1 or 4.2 or thereabouts.

Also, I see the price of a 5 speed conversion kit from Westfield is just over £1,500. Is that including the gearbox? Is that what you had?

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Hi,

     Mine is a 3.9 cwp.  The 4.1 / 4.2  would give (even) better acceleration at the expense of "cruising" ability. 

 

Yes, I had the full kit from Westfield which did include the gearbox - but have a new complete MG clutch left over as my MED lightened flywheel took (I believe) a Ford item!  As I said previously, I would suggest get the fitting kit from Westfield but buy the gearbox from a specialist of your choice.

 

Simon

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