Simon Waterfall Syman84 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 just been reading the bad times people are having about new cage/roll bar regs so question is I have a pre lit with rac bar back stays are welded at the top unsure about the bottom don't think there4 rose joints just bolted is this ok or do I need to get something new thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The major problem is the tube size - 42.4 dia. x 2.6mm. I think Westfield used 37 dia x 3mm. Mounting is difficult too. I've just seen "Drawing No 30" in the Blue Book, which must be approved for something, but looks similar to, and no stronger than a rose joint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.RAD Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Depends...! It's complicated, what age is your car and do you know when your bar was installed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Waterfall Syman84 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 My car is 1987 pre lit Taken bar off tonight Main roll over bar is 38mm rear stays are alot smaller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Simon Waterfall Syman84 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 Hope this helps people give me some direction. If I do need to change it where would I get one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.RAD Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 You might be ok, if it was commissioned pre-01.01.95 then 38mm od tubes are permitted. Do you want to change it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Waterfall Syman84 Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 I would like to know I will be safe so I suppose that's part of it as well. But if I can use it for a couple of events next year and change it later on that would be preferable as I have had to make sure I have all the other safety equipment. I have had to remove the roll bar so I could get the bootbox out because I only have one fixing point for my harnesses so having to add extra one so I can use 4 points. If I do need to change it then how likely am I going to be able to find one to fit a pre lit. I know the body had to change because of litigation but did the chassis. Will the narrow one from playskool fit. Just brain dumping sorry Thanks for the help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.RAD Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Its hard to tell from the pictures because there isn't one of the whole roll bar, but it looks like the rear stays are welded at the top but are not at the corners, is that right? The current requirement for next year is that the roll bar must conform with regulation K1.6.1 and drawing K1. I think you'd be ok on tube diameter as your car is pre-95 so tube diameter needs to be 38mm, which you have, but I'm not sure it conforms to drawing K1, where the rear stays meet the top corners of the hoop. Also not sure what od the support stays need to be but can easily check that later. At the end of the day it will come down to how picky your scrutineer is at the event, they may not say anything, they may point it out but let you through or they may not let you run. In terms of replacement, your best bet is to speak directly to caged who can help with any job, if thats what you decide to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Waterfall Syman84 Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 Its hard to tell from the pictures because there isn't one of the whole roll bar, but it looks like the rear stays are welded at the top but are not at the corners, is that right? yes this is right I haven't looked at the drawings in the blue book yet so will have a look today I think that I may be best to just to change it for one that is definitely ok to MSA spec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.RAD Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Yes that would be recommended but is obviously your choice - caged have done pre-lits before so will definitely be able to help you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Waterfall Syman84 Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 Yes that would be recommended but is obviously your choice - caged have done pre-lits before so will definitely be able to help you. is caged called custom cages as I cant find a company called caged I have also spoken to Luke at Playskool and we have had a measure up and although I have a pre lit that takes all ford running gear rather than the really early ones that use triumph I think, It seams that when the litigation went through they just changed the bodywork so the measurements are pretty much spot on for a live axle narrow SE MSA approved roll bar from him @ £260 delivered. is it worth looking elsewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.RAD Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Check with Luke but I'm pretty sure their bars are made by Caged anyway. They're based in Frome, 01373 452866 www.therollcagepeople.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Loudon - Sponsorship Liaison Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 If one from Plays Kool fits, then go with it. I know of no others that fit off the shelf and would need to be made to measure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Waterfall Syman84 Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 cheers john Luke has said that if we aren't right with the measurements then he is happy for me to send it back so he has put my name to one when they are back in stock in next couple of weeks. thanks for everyone's help next problem will be a head rest so get read for the continued questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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